Desp Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 2 hours ago, capt_oats said: It's the Young Team out for the Reserves today... I've heard there's a bit of interest in the lad McKinstry. Leeds Utd, for one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swello Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, well fan for life said: I'm still not sure how good Ben Hall was. He seemed to be good alongside McManus telling him what he should be doing but in that youth cup final he was one of the worst players on the park. Agreed - and that is partly the point - in Motherwell terms, Hall was unproven as he left very early after I guess 20 or so first team games. I think Turnball is considerably "better" than Hall quite honestly but if he leaves in May, the end result is the same* *unless he pings a 30 yarder in the last minute of the cup final on his way out the door... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisGRAEME Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 29 minutes ago, well fan for life said: I can walk to it in about 15 minutes but £28 to sit in that corner behind a lampost a week before Christmas? It's a hard no from me. Yeah. This is exactly where I'm at. It's one bus for me, but I'm still not doing it. Solidarity brother. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 I've arranged a trip down South for work given that there was no game to go to, this was after the fixture had been rearranged 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 5 hours ago, Desp said: I've heard there's a bit of interest in the lad McKinstry. Leeds Utd, for one. I see his maw and da quite regularly as they're big 'well fans. It was his first start today. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 (edited) Copy & paste from FirParkCorner. The bold Andy_P has also posted a more comprehensive summary over on Steelmen. Interesting to read that by the end of the year the WS will be the largest creditor after repayments to Boyle & Hutchison. Quote Motherwell FC held its 113th Annual General Meeting at Fir Park on Monday. With the best financial results in the club's history under discussion the shareholders were in confident mood. The board was joined by more than 60 of an audience as club chairman Jim McMahon outlined the happy circumstances that had delivered the bumper boost to the coffers. He was clearly delighted to be able to report a £1.72 profit on the year, an event that he felt was unlikely to be repeated. He explained that it required every aspect of the club to be in perfect harmony and a bit of good fortune to produce such strong results. Nevertheless, the board was engaged in a rigorous examination of the club's practices to ensure future sustainability. When questioned about the modest decrease in debt (£2.2m down to £1.8m) he explained that the flow of funds from the Well Society was listed as debt in the accounts and added that the amount owed to the two previous owners was set fall by the end of the year. The Society would become the largest creditor. Some discussion followed concerning the cost of maintaining ageing stadium. The Hunter stand roof had been replaced and along with pitch enhancements and the new scoreboard there was an increase of £200k to almost £400k. There will be an ongoing drain on our funds to keep the old ground up to the required specification. The board continue to keep themselves aware of the possibility of some future move to a new stadium. Stephen Robinson was happy to discuss football matters and gave some insights into his preparations for the forthcoming transfer window. He has an eye on several targets and recognised the need for wide players. He is well aware of what we need. Discussions are continuing about a contract extension with David Turnbull. Asked about the tiring effects of international duties for Alan Campbell and Chris Cadden, the manager explained that the experience was beneficial but it had to be managed. He gave a report on the slow progress of Craig Tanner and was asked to pass on best wished to Trevor Carson. The meeting ended leaving time for some informal chat. Edited December 17, 2018 by capt_oats 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swello Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 I was interested in the mention of Ravenscraig as I kind of assumed that was off the agenda these days but I guess there comes a point where the maintenance on Fir Park starts to put us at a disadvantage or hurts the sustainability of the funding model. I didn't get the impression that anything is at a detailed stage of planning though, so I doubt we're off soon. Colts was interesting for the fact that the club are clearly very much in favour from a football perspective and it will be resourcing it that will likely be the stumbling block. The part about the status of the 'Well society becoming the largest creditor was a point that I had never fully considered. I had assumed that this would happen eventually but I had never really appreciated that this would confer certain rights (ie - if we ever slipped into admin again for example). The upshot would be that the club will continue to report a debt even when Boyle and Hutchinson are paid off - although clearly that debt is the softest possible type as it is owed to the Well society (ie - the type that is probably never paid back) SR got a notably easy time of it in his Q&A - I'm sure the improved form recently (and the unexpected win on Saturday) contributed to that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTamMuller Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 The Ravenscraig mention was quite intriguing as well, came almost unprompted too, but I suppose as time goes by, Fir Park will only become more and more expensive to maintain. Not seen it written down on either Fir Park Corner or the SO post, but I’m sure a figure of £250k was quoted for a replacement tannoy system! Didn’t get too much from Robbo that he hasn’t either said or alluded to already in the press. Agree with Swello though, you can’t help but feel he got an easier time of it than he perhaps would have a month or so ago! Interesting to hear that Turnbull has KB’d 4 offers from us already! There was definitely another dig in there at his agent too! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONeils4Oyarder Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 The thought of moving the Club to Ravenscraig (or anywhere else, out of town for that matter), gives me the absolute fear 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desp Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 hour ago, ONeils4Oyarder said: The thought of moving the Club to Ravenscraig (or anywhere else, out of town for that matter), gives me the absolute fear To be fair, it's not a million miles away. I'm not sure if they have a place in mind, but if you say you stick a stadium next to where the College sits, then it's still walkable from where Fir Park is now. You can just leave Club 100 at 2:30pm rather than 2:58pm... Considering how many houses they are planning on building in that area, it's a chance to tap into potential fans as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casagolda Posted December 18, 2018 Author Share Posted December 18, 2018 Anybody else get the impression Turnbull’s a goner then, or is just me? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well fan for life Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Casagolda said: Anybody else get the impression Turnbull’s a goner then, or is just me? I'm getting that impression as well tbh. The longer this goes on I can see him wanting to go somewhere else. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desp Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 He should be given until the start of January to decide either way. If he chooses to leave, as is his right, I'd be bombing back to the u20's for the rest of the season. If he's daft enough to move to a bigger club on the back of a dozen appearances at Premiership level, he'll be playing U23 football in England for the duration of his contract. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONeils4Oyarder Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Desp said: To be fair, it's not a million miles away. I'm not sure if they have a place in mind, but if you say you stick a stadium next to where the College sits, then it's still walkable from where Fir Park is now. You can just leave Club 100 at 2:30pm rather than 2:58pm... Considering how many houses they are planning on building in that area, it's a chance to tap into potential fans as well. It'll still be 'out-of-town' even at that side of the development...the speed of the development itself is a worry too - while we should be looking to 'tap-in' to any new developments within a reasonable radius of our current address anyway. These new builds are generally, almost always (certainly at our level), totally shite as well... ...I totally get that the Clubs viewpoint is that Fir Park costs a lot to maintain, but as far as I can see the cutting of costs would be the only benefit. Maybe its only me, and maybe I'm a stuck in my ways traditionalist, but as someone that almost never bothered buying my season tickets this year, I reckon moving to a flat-pack stadium in the middle of a few housing developments would potentially be my tipping point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONeils4Oyarder Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, well fan for life said: I'm getting that impression as well tbh. The longer this goes on I can see him wanting to go somewhere else. It depends where that 'somewhere else' will be I suppose...his agent seems to be the driver in these contract talks, so he has maybe heard of a few whispers. If the boy is as talented as is believed to be and he has the option to go and earn a life changing amount of money then I can see why he'd be, at the very least, considering it. Lee Erwin seems to be an example of how not to do it on the messageboards, but its factually accurate to say that Erwin, by leaving Motherwell, more or less set himself up financially for life. Had Slane not been an utter fanny of a boy, and brought up by a fanny of a da', he had the possibility of being in the same boat. Ben Hall, was probably earning £500 a week at Fir Park, as soon as Brighton offered him a 3year deal at 5k a week, as a 19 year old? I can see why he took it. From what I can gather, Turnbull is a Motherwell fan through and through, from a family of Motherwell fans, but you've got to take that emotional attachment out of the equation and look at it objectively. Does he stay here, earning decent money for a kid his age, progress and learn more about his trade, potentially go down the Cadden route of limited progression, or worse risk injury, to then look back on it 10 years down the line and say, i wish I had taken that chance now...that chance to go and set himself up for life financially. I'm honestly not sure what I'd do, or what advice I'd give him 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swello Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 minute ago, ONeils4Oyarder said: I totally get that the Clubs viewpoint is that Fir Park costs a lot to maintain, but as far as I can see the cutting of costs would be the only benefit. Maybe its only me, and maybe I'm a stuck in my ways traditionalist, but as someone that almost never bothered buying my season tickets this year, I reckon moving to a flat-pack stadium in the middle of a few housing developments would potentially be my tipping point. I don't live in Motherwell, so I need to drive an hour to home games anyway, so the location doesn't affect me personally, however - I put a huge importance on clubs being an integral part of the town they represent and there lies the risk of moving from your traditional home. Football isn't always about financial logic (for supporters) and I honestly can't think of a new build/out of town effort that I actually like. Bottom line is that if any new ground (as is incredibly likely) resembles what St Mirren or St Johnstone have, I'd pick the ramshackle effort we have now any day. I'd assume a piecemeal redevelopment of Fir Park as has happened at Tynecastle and Easter Rd would be a non-starter due to cost - but it would be nice if that was an option... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONeils4Oyarder Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Swello said: I don't live in Motherwell, so I need to drive an hour to home games anyway, so the location doesn't affect me personally, however - I put a huge importance on clubs being an integral part of the town they represent and there lies the risk of moving from your traditional home. Football isn't always about financial logic (for supporters) and I honestly can't think of a new build/out of town effort that I actually like. Bottom line is that if any new ground (as is incredibly likely) resembles what St Mirren or St Johnstone have, I'd pick the ramshackle effort we have now any day. I'd assume a piecemeal redevelopment of Fir Park as has happened at Tynecastle and Easter Rd would be a non-starter due to cost - but it would be nice if that was an option... Surely its the main stand that costs us the most amount of cash? If so, is there a way around about that? A re-build similar to what Hearts have done on a smaller scale...I don't believe that moving away from Fir Park Street is the only long-term solution 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desp Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 As much as a rebuilt Fir Park would be ideal, there's no way we can afford it. The Main Stand is the big one, but the East Stand requires a wee bit of upkeep too I'd have thought (wasn't there also chat about how shoddily the South Stand was thrown up?) The thing is though, if we build a new stadium, we'd have the money from the sale of the land at Fir Park to play with, along with potentially Government/Council assistance and even selling naming rights to the ground. If we redo Fir Park, the funds would have to come from us alone, and we don't have that kind of money, or the fanbase like Hearts to assist with funding it. It's a non-starter unfortunately. I do take O'Neills40Yarder's point though. I've been a Motherwell boy all my life, so it's always been walkable. It was 20 minutes away from the house I grew up in and it's now a 3 minute walk from where I live now. Would I be discouraged if it was in Ravenscraig? I wouldn't like to think so. Would I be if it was a St. Mirren Park type effort. Every chance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsr Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 52 minutes ago, ONeils4Oyarder said: It depends where that 'somewhere else' will be I suppose...his agent seems to be the driver in these contract talks, so he has maybe heard of a few whispers. If the boy is as talented as is believed to be and he has the option to go and earn a life changing amount of money then I can see why he'd be, at the very least, considering it. Lee Erwin seems to be an example of how not to do it on the messageboards, but its factually accurate to say that Erwin, by leaving Motherwell, more or less set himself up financially for life. Had Slane not been an utter fanny of a boy, and brought up by a fanny of a da', he had the possibility of being in the same boat. Ben Hall, was probably earning £500 a week at Fir Park, as soon as Brighton offered him a 3year deal at 5k a week, as a 19 year old? I can see why he took it. From what I can gather, Turnbull is a Motherwell fan through and through, from a family of Motherwell fans, but you've got to take that emotional attachment out of the equation and look at it objectively. Does he stay here, earning decent money for a kid his age, progress and learn more about his trade, potentially go down the Cadden route of limited progression, or worse risk injury, to then look back on it 10 years down the line and say, i wish I had taken that chance now...that chance to go and set himself up for life financially. I'm honestly not sure what I'd do, or what advice I'd give him Has any player ever left us at such an incredibly early stage of his career and gone on to better things in the medium or long term? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well fan for life Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, nsr said: Has any player ever left us at such an incredibly early stage of his career and gone on to better things in the medium or long term? #DT23 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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