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29 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said:

The only way to keep these scumbags from singing these songs publicly is to punish the club.

I'd recommend a fine that's big enough to actually hurt them or an outright ban on the club if it happens again.

Police seem to be taking a lot of flak for this too. Quite rightly. For them I'd suggest having days of chasing up as many as they can when this happens. Making plenty of arrests and dishing out fines.

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9 minutes ago, Clown Job said:

This isn’t just a football problem though, this is an issue within Scottish society 

Scotland has a long history of intolerance towards Irish and Catholics.

Football wasn’t the cause of it and football won’t resolve it 

Ive said it in another thread but it’s wild that we still annual anti catholic marches in this country.

 

I'd bet the majority there only really care about any of that, is cause Rangers.

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1 hour ago, Juanhourjoe said:

I'd bet the majority there only really care about any of that, is cause Rangers.

I'm disgusted that we have this on our streets in 2021, I couldn't care less about which football club they're associated with. I just want an end to this nonsense.

It's utterly embarrassing for Scotland to still be dealing with this pish in 2021.

 

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2 hours ago, Baxter Parp said:

Thank you, c***s,

 

The fact that this is being investigated by the police despite OBFA no longer existing actually confirms that the legislation was needless. Racist singing in public is illegal whether you are a football fan or not.

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2 hours ago, Clown Job said:

 

Ive said it in another thread but it’s wild that we still annual anti catholic marches in this country.

 

they aren't anti catholic they're a celebration of the protestant faith

 

the fuckin' state of this.....

https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/17662804.anti-protestant-persecution-orange-order-responds-latest-re-routing-parades-past-catholic-church/

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1 hour ago, GTG_03 said:

I'm disgusted that we have this on our streets in 2021, 

 

we'll you'll need to move to England, because not one thing will be different up here in 2050

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46 minutes ago, Meldrew said:

they aren't anti catholic they're a celebration of the protestant faith

 

the fuckin' state of this.....

https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/17662804.anti-protestant-persecution-orange-order-responds-latest-re-routing-parades-past-catholic-church/

Needing another perspective on this I think @The_Kincardine

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It's highly amusing to see SNP and Scottish Green elected representatives and party members calling for Rangers to take responsibility for this. Even funnier was seeing Patrick Harvie saying that he needed an "assurance" that identifiable people in the crowd would face charges.

You're the fucking government, Patrick. You're part of the organization that is supposed to give the assurances. It's your job to tackle sectarianism in Scottish society, because you have the power to do it. Rangers FC or it's supporters (or indeed, Celtic FC or it's supporters) do not have that power. All the clubs can do is promote diversity and ban offenders, both of which Rangers have done/have confirmed they will do.

If this is the serious priority for Green and SNP members, what is stopping them from tackling it? You have all the power, and are taking none of the responsibility.

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14 minutes ago, G51 said:

It's highly amusing to see SNP and Scottish Green elected representatives and party members calling for Rangers to take responsibility for this. Even funnier was seeing Patrick Harvie saying that he needed an "assurance" that identifiable people in the crowd would face charges.

You're the fucking government, Patrick. You're part of the organization that is supposed to give the assurances. It's your job to tackle sectarianism in Scottish society, because you have the power to do it. Rangers FC or it's supporters (or indeed, Celtic FC or it's supporters) do not have that power. All the clubs can do is promote diversity and ban offenders, both of which Rangers have done/have confirmed they will do.

If this is the serious priority for Green and SNP members, what is stopping them from tackling it? You have all the power, and are taking none of the responsibility.

The Scottish Government don't give direct orders to Police Scotland. Its entirely appropriate for Harvie to say he wants assurances about what they are going to do.

You have a brass neck to whine about what other people should be doing. You support an institution that stokes anti Irish and anti Catholic sentiment because it makes them money.

Anti Irish racism in Scotland would have died decades ago without Rangers and everyone knows it. 

The Kirk, the unions and OO are all moribund. It's only Rangers that keeps it going.

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5 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said:

The Scottish Government don't give direct orders to Police Scotland. Its entirely appropriate for Harvie to say he wants assurances about what they are going to do.

You have a brass neck to whine about what other people should be doing. You support an institution that stokes anti Irish and anti Catholic sentiment because it makes them money.

Anti Irish racism in Scotland would have died decades ago without Rangers and everyone knows it. 

The Kirk, the unions and OO are all moribund. It's only Rangers that keeps it going.

Police Scotland answer to the Scottish Government that Patrick Harvie is a part of. If Harvie and his government believe that Police Scotland are not bringing charges against suspects for some reason, then they have the authority and the ability to enact the required changes to ensure that justice is done.

The buck for failing to tackle sectarianism in Scotland stops with the Scottish Government, and with the Scottish Government alone. The only attempt they've ever made was a half-arsed attempt to turn this into a football problem through the OBFA. It's unsurprising that such a derisory attempt did not work.

The responsibility for resolving sectarianism in Scotland (what little of it actually still exists) does not lie with me, other Rangers fans or the club itself. If you consider this a serious issue, take it up with your MSP. They're the people who can actually do something about it.

The idea that Rangers stoke anti-Irish or anti-Catholic sentiment among their supporters, in order to generate profit, is frankly laughable. Conspiracy theories should at least have some element of logic underpinning them.

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It's highly amusing to see SNP and Scottish Green elected representatives and party members calling for Rangers to take responsibility for this. Even funnier was seeing Patrick Harvie saying that he needed an "assurance" that identifiable people in the crowd would face charges.
You're the fucking government, Patrick. You're part of the organization that is supposed to give the assurances. It's your job to tackle sectarianism in Scottish society, because you have the power to do it. Rangers FC or it's supporters (or indeed, Celtic FC or it's supporters) do not have that power. All the clubs can do is promote diversity and ban offenders, both of which Rangers have done/have confirmed they will do.
If this is the serious priority for Green and SNP members, what is stopping them from tackling it? You have all the power, and are taking none of the responsibility.
Jesus fucking wept.
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44 minutes ago, G51 said:

All the clubs can do is promote diversity and ban offenders, both of which Rangers have done/have confirmed they will do.

To be fair,

I don’t think RFC done themselves any favours when they decided to hire a bigot as PR chief recently

Or bringing out an orange kit in recent years, since we all know exactly who that’s meant to panda to.

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1 minute ago, Clown Job said:

To be fair,

I don’t think RFC done themselves any favours when they decided

Or bringing out an orange kit in recent years, since we all know exactly who that’s meant to panda to.

I absolutely despise David Graham, but I don't think the background of the PR director is really going to move the needle much for most people. I'd wager 95%+ of Rangers fans have no idea who David Graham is, and the only people who do know are the VL's like me that follow the ins and outs of the executive team.

The orange kit, as far as I'm aware, made the club absolutely no money because Hummel & Elite Sports kept the profits. If it was an attempt to drive profit for Rangers then it wasn't a very good one.

I'm not naive enough to think that a corporation wouldn't sell out it's principles in order to make money. Of course they would - that's capitalism for you. But stoking anti-Irish racism to drive profits wouldn't be a very good business move in the 21st Century. The club has made significant strides in promoting diversity in recent years, and the songbook is a million times cleaner than was even ten years ago.

That's because being an all inclusive club is significantly more profitable than going back to the pre-Mo Johnston days. It's why the club are pledging to ban the fans in the video, and why they're so aggrieved by the "reputational damage" caused by it. Football clubs are businesses that are mostly owned by ruthless capitalists who will do whatever they need to do to make money.

 

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Closed door Old Firm game and no coverage of any sort except the scoreline. Which will never happen of course.

Or a ban on selling tickets to anyone not a resident of Glasgow. Wouldn't work I think as there would be ways around it but I wonder if the main driver are Gers fans coming from outwith Scotland (you know where I mean).

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