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6 minutes ago, Plastic Whistle said:

Have the new Trustees ever offered up an explanation for the resignation of the previous Chair in May this year? Or, with that being the 'old' Trust, do they not feel legally obliged to do so?

Stop obsessing on what they are doing and come up with a strategy of how TJF are going to win control of the shares. If you can’t do that, you might as well pack up and go home.

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4 minutes ago, jagsfan57 said:

I was asked to join TJF. They have to show me why I should. They have sat on their hands for a month. I thought the EGM was when action was going to be decided - but no, it seems the board are away to consider what to do. Meanwhile, PTFC Trust are getting their proposal in place for the share transfer. It’s going to be too late for TJF. Do they not realise this ? Maybe a few more pins will be a good idea. It’s ludicrous.

No, the EGM was to vote on the articles. There was discussion about the next steps and the board asked for the opinions of members. Do you really want an organisation which tells you what you need to do or one which asks you what you want it to be doing?

If it's the former then just sit tight and wait to see what PTFC Trust/3BC/Jackie Low are going to give you but please don't then complain if it's not what you wanted.

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1 minute ago, jagsfan57 said:

Stop obsessing on what they are doing and come up with a strategy of how TJF are going to win control of the shares.

I'm not sure if you think you're replying to a member of the TJF board here. You aren't. 

On your point, it's possible to devise and execute a strategy while continuing to ask pertinent and important questions.

But if you think those actions are mutually exclusive then it's important that the rank and file membership of TJF, and anyone else with an interest or concern about how the share transfer is being managed, to continue to ask those probing questions.

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1 minute ago, Plastic Whistle said:

What action should it be taking, in your opinion?

See above. That is the only game in town. Win control of the shares. How ? Show that Colin Weir really wanted a model along the lines of the Motherwell Society ? There’s documentary evidence to that effect - is it legally binding, who knows ?
In my opinion boycotts/demonstrations will result in nothing. I don’t think the wider Thistle support will get on board while the team are doing so well. This is a big problem for TJF.

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3 minutes ago, Plastic Whistle said:

I'm not sure if you think you're replying to a member of the TJF board here. You aren't. 

On your point, it's possible to devise and execute a strategy while continuing to ask pertinent and important questions.

But if you think those actions are mutually exclusive then it's important that the rank and file membership of TJF, and anyone else with an interest or concern about how the share transfer is being managed, to continue to ask those probing questions.

I am not bothered whether you are a TJF board member or even a member of TJF, but you are obviously concerned. Do you think that what is being done by TJF is going to be successful?

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30 minutes ago, jagsfan57 said:

Stop obsessing on what they are doing and come up with a strategy of how TJF are going to win control of the shares. If you can’t do that, you might as well pack up and go home.

Is that what you've done?

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41 minutes ago, jagsfan57 said:

I was asked to join TJF. They have to show me why I should. They have sat on their hands for a month. I thought the EGM was when action was going to be decided - but no, it seems the board are away to consider what to do. Meanwhile, PTFC Trust are getting their proposal in place for the share transfer. It’s going to be too late for TJF. Do they not realise this ? Maybe a few more pins will be a good idea. It’s ludicrous.

Have you been asked to join the PTFC Trust in it's present iteration?

Are you an existing member?

Have they shown you 'why you should' be a member?

How do you expect TJF to gain the shares with no engagement from 3BC/the board towards them, but seemingly full unrestricted engagement towards PTFC Trust?

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2 hours ago, baba douche said:

Have you been asked to join the PTFC Trust in it's present iteration?

Are you an existing member?

Have they shown you 'why you should' be a member?

How do you expect TJF to gain the shares with no engagement from 3BC/the board towards them, but seemingly full unrestricted engagement towards PTFC Trust?

Does PTFC Trust have members ? I thought it just had beneficiaries.

Probably not. I do have a ST but as a carer.

Do TJF still think there is any chance of engagement with 3BC/the club/ PTFC Trust ? Surely not.

I have already given my opinion on how.

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4 hours ago, jagsfan57 said:

See above. That is the only game in town. Win control of the shares. How ? Show that Colin Weir really wanted a model along the lines of the Motherwell Society ? There’s documentary evidence to that effect - is it legally binding, who knows ?
In my opinion boycotts/demonstrations will result in nothing. I don’t think the wider Thistle support will get on board while the team are doing so well. This is a big problem for TJF.

Maybe, maybe not. I think if TJF can take a medium term approach and grow its base more and more/retain members then it'll get incredibly awkward for the trust/3bc/the club to ignore questions by the next time season ticket renewals come round.

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44 minutes ago, jagsfan57 said:

Does PTFC Trust have members ? I thought it just had beneficiaries.

Probably not. I do have a ST but as a carer.

Do TJF still think there is any chance of engagement with 3BC/the club/ PTFC Trust ? Surely not.

I have already given my opinion on how.

You didn't actually answer the third point - you disparage THF, but seem to be giving the Trust a pass on that.

 

The last point - It would be easier if you could reiterate your opinion on how, I'm lazy and must have missed it. I'm genuinely interested, as I think I can see a way for them to do it.

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48 minutes ago, jagsfan57 said:

Does PTFC Trust have members ? I thought it just had beneficiaries.

Probably not. I do have a ST but as a carer.

Do TJF still think there is any chance of engagement with 3BC/the club/ PTFC Trust ? Surely not.

I have already given my opinion on how.

Looking back to when you started posting on this subject you haven't actually given an opinion on how. You have put a few negative points about how TJF need to NOT operate before you would support them but nothing about what you want.

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4 hours ago, baba douche said:

You didn't actually answer the third point - you disparage THF, but seem to be giving the Trust a pass on that.

 

The last point - It would be easier if you could reiterate your opinion on how, I'm lazy and must have missed it. I'm genuinely interested, as I think I can see a way for them to do it.

The trust seem to be getting the shares whether they deserve it or not. It looks like we are going to be stuck with them.

The onus is on TJF to do something to wrestle the shares away from them.

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4 hours ago, ScottyG said:

Looking back to when you started posting on this subject you haven't actually given an opinion on how. You have put a few negative points about how TJF need to NOT operate before you would support them but nothing about what you want.

I did. I think it will need to be a legal avenue for TJF showing that Colin Weir wanted a Well Society style fan ownership model.

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