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9 minutes ago, Public menace said:

 


I’m curious. Has there been talk of Arbroath and Alloa mothballing for a season. Not heard anything along those lines.

I can’t see it myself. Didn’t Arbroath just re-sign O’Brien on a three year deal?

 

Seems like propaganda - with the tactic now being to step that up

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42 minutes ago, third lanark said:

If theres 8 teams then that should be enough for the season to go ahead given that theres talk of the championship going ahead with 8 teams if arbroath and Alloa do decide to mothball as well

We don’t actually know who the supposed 2 teams that don’t want to play in the Championship were. Everyone assumes the 2 part time teams but Arbroath I think have quite a number of players on the books, and Alloa have just signed a couple players on new deals. I’m actually more inclined to look at the guys who have released a ton of players such as Dunfermline, or Queen of the South. More likely they were the ones who wanted mothballing in that league. 

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36 minutes ago, JagsCG said:

That’s a massive reason to some of them (remember the Forfar Chairman on the radio).  

Clearly you don’t as that wasn’t what he said. He actually said he wanted clarity as to whether he had a budget for a league with Partick and Falkirk in it or a league with Stranraer and Edinburgh City in it. Some hard of thinking Partick and Falkirk fans then took their own understanding of this and made c*nts of themselves online.

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4 minutes ago, nofixedability said:

Clearly you don’t as that wasn’t what he said. He actually said he wanted clarity as to whether he had a budget for a league with Partick and Falkirk in it or a league with Stranraer and Edinburgh City in it. Some hard of thinking Partick and Falkirk fans then took their own understanding of this and made c*nts of themselves online.

No I remember absolutely fine. And you’ve just said exactly what I remember. He would have had a bigger budget, if Thistle and Falkirk were in the league, because there was a guarantee of more away fans than Stranraer and Edinburgh City. I see that as a pretty obvious reason for them and others to vote it down. You can disagree with that all you like, but it’s an opinion. 

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Just now, JagsCG said:

No I remember absolutely fine. And you’ve just said exactly what I remember. He would have had a bigger budget, if Thistle and Falkirk were in the league, because there was a guarantee of more away fans than Stranraer and Edinburgh City. I see that as a pretty obvious reason for them and others to vote it down. You can disagree with that all you like, but it’s an opinion. 

And how did Forfar vote?

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Just now, nofixedability said:

And how did Forfar vote?

I have no idea, I was giving an opinion as to why some of the League 1 clubs may vote it down. I don’t know what way specific clubs voted. But that’s irrelevant to the discussion, we know several League 1 clubs voted it down, the question was, what possible reason could they have for doing that, so that’s my opinion as to why. Not sure what you’re not grasping.

 

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Thistle fans like Hearts and Rangers fans seem to see all this through their own prisms - suggest you need to take a more 3 dimensional approach and realise that it isn’t personal and arguably there might be some principled belief that this is the best way forward in a dreadful situation.  Now you might disagree but accusing others of acting through spite, self interest and stupidity just might not be wholly true 

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Just now, Cowden Cowboy said:

Thistle fans like Hearts and Rangers fans seem to see all this through their own prisms - suggest you need to take a more 3 dimensional approach and realise that it isn’t personal and arguably there might be some principled belief that this is the best way forward in a dreadful situation.  Now you might disagree but accusing others of acting through spite, self interest and stupidity just might not be wholly true 

Every single club votes on self-interest, including Thistle and Hearts. When any vote arises, every single club, looks at themselves before thinking about others. 
And, Every Single Fan, firstly sees things through their own club’s perspective, that is a very normal football fan thing to do, there’s no difference between any fans in that sense.

 

Neither of those things are exclusive to Thistle or any other club, let’s not pretend  every other fan and every club is holier than thou. When we all know that’s not the case. 

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4 minutes ago, JagsCG said:

Every single club votes on self-interest, including Thistle and Hearts. When any vote arises, every single club, looks at themselves before thinking about others. 
And, Every Single Fan, firstly sees things through their own club’s perspective, that is a very normal football fan thing to do, there’s no difference between any fans in that sense.

 

Neither of those things are exclusive to Thistle or any other club, let’s not pretend  every other fan and every club is holier than thou. When we all know that’s not the case. 

Not talking about voting, talking about your bias driving your views whereas you might get a better understanding by taking a more rounded view - enough anyway for me as that means there is no real dialogue.  Here is a simple question - ‘Is it fair that Cowdenbeath have lost their opportunity of promotion through the play offs?’

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Just now, Cowden Cowboy said:

Not talking about voting, talking about your bias driving your views whereas you might get a better understanding by taking a more rounded view - enough anyway for me as that means there is no real dialogue 

Again, football fans hold biased views, that’s hardly a big secret, nor a big revelation. 

It’s not just Thistle fans that are biased, go look at all the people who’s answer to why they don’t want reconstruction is, “I don’t like Hearts”, that’s their opinion, a fair one, but it’s also biased. 
 

Football Fans are biased, and will always go from their club’s perspective, that’s not exclusive to Partick Thistle, Hearts or anyone else. 
 

I get part of your point, about seeing all sides of the argument, but Fans of all clubs will always be biased, that’s not going to change.

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Just now, JagsCG said:

Again, football fans hold biased views, that’s hardly a big secret, nor a big revelation. 

It’s not just Thistle fans that are biased, go look at all the people who’s answer to why they don’t want reconstruction is, “I don’t like Hearts”, that’s their opinion, a fair one, but it’s also biased. 
 

Football Fans are biased, and will always go from their club’s perspective, that’s not exclusive to Partick Thistle, Hearts or anyone else. 
 

I get part of your point, about seeing all sides of the argument, but Fans of all clubs will always be biased, that’s not going to change.

But the clubs voting by and large aren’t doing so because they don’t like Hearts or Thistle.  And in several cases clubs are accepting losing their play off promotion opportunity - which is absolutely no small thing - because they have taken on board a bigger picture.  

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17 minutes ago, JagsCG said:

I have no idea, I was giving an opinion as to why some of the League 1 clubs may vote it down. I don’t know what way specific clubs voted. But that’s irrelevant to the discussion, we know several League 1 clubs voted it down, the question was, what possible reason could they have for doing that, so that’s my opinion as to why. Not sure what you’re not grasping.

 

For clarity Forfar voted (intimated they would votefor)for the 14-10-10-10 proposed set up that would have ‘saved’ Hearts, Partick and Stranraer.

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3 minutes ago, Cowden Cowboy said:

But the clubs voting by and large aren’t doing so because they don’t like Hearts or Thistle.  And in several cases clubs are accepting losing their play off promotion opportunity - which is absolutely no small thing - because they have taken on board a bigger picture.  

In the initial vote, the SPFL presented the clubs with the chance to end the season and receive money - this was a huge advantage to some clubs (Hamilton, Ross County, St Mirren, QoS, Alloa, Raith Rovers, Brechin,)  and for most of the others they got cash in the Bank. Why would they vote against this? Would they have accepted 14-10-10 -10 if they had been presented with this as the only option at the time?

i'm not aware of any clubs with realistic play-off promotion prospects who voted to accept the original proposal other than Dundee (who also voted against) and Ayr (whose Chairmen suggested that they had been blackmailed). 

I've heard Neil McCann, Chris Sutton, Stuart Cosgrave, Tam Cowan, Chick Young and the Chief Executives of Aberdeen and Hamilton comment on the extreme unfairness of Thistle being relegated - none of them have any bias.

The bigger picture is that none of the other clubs care because it doesn't affect them.

 

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3 minutes ago, Thistle Bonnet said:

In the initial vote, the SPFL presented the clubs with the chance to end the season and receive money - this was a huge advantage to some clubs (Hamilton, Ross County, St Mirren, QoS, Alloa, Raith Rovers, Brechin,)  and for most of the others they got cash in the Bank. Why would they vote against this? Would they have accepted 14-10-10 -10 if they had been presented with this as the only option at the time?

i'm not aware of any clubs with realistic play-off promotion prospects who voted to accept the original proposal other than Dundee (who also voted against) and Ayr (whose Chairmen suggested that they had been blackmailed). 

 

 

Cowdenbeath and Elgin City certainly - Airdrie and Montrose (can’t remember)?

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51 minutes ago, oneteaminglasgow said:

Surely it doesn’t actually need any League One sides to have voted against?

Of much greater importance than working out who may or may not have voted a certain way is getting Jacqui Low out of the club immediately. She’s been a fucking disaster.

 

Absolutely 100%. Said as much 2 pages ago. She’s ultimately responsible for where we are, thanks to the Caldwell era. 

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Cowdenbeath & Elgin were 27 & 25 points respectively behind Cove, 15 & 13 points behind Edinburgh City and were just ahead of Queens Park- that's hardly clubs with a realistic chance of going up - getting guaranteed money in the bank wqs a much better option. 

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