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It's interesting to see the coverage of this outside of Scotland.  Whenever it's mentioned, it's talked about how amazing it is that the club's being "given back to the fans" and how great it is that a lottery winner bought the club to give back to said fans.  It's almost like nothing could possibly go wrong.

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The funding for the Academy, PTFC Women and potential training facilities is good news.

However folk won't be getting the bunting and marching band organised until they know how the board and the fan ownership element is set up.

The interim board certainly seems like a revisit to the Jaqui Low era. With most of the previous board happy to move on following Weir's majority shareholding purchase I guess it's not a shock to most that Mr Weir's acquaintances seem tohave filled the void. 

It would be mental to go wholly down that road again. Hopefully the board and trust focus on sustainable development rather than tipping money down a drain.

It's never dull at Firhill apart from when the team are playing 😉

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1 hour ago, Hammer Jag said:

Anyone who even questions Low’s involvement on social media is immediately rounded on by her little band of sycophants. For a club that is striving towards fan ownership, the lack of transparency is worrying. 

Our fans are so divided over things like this, which is one of the reasons I have no faith in fan ownership working at our club. It’s going to be a proverbial hung parliament of an ownership model, with all these daft trusts and groups wanting different things, backing different people and spending the whole time writing big statements and arguing over everything.

That and the fact we have so many happy clappers, simply satisfied with the club existing. Happy with being rubbish as long as there are “Thistle men” like Britton, Rough, etc involved. How will fan ownership work if a decent percentage of your owners’ definition of success will be nothing to do with actually achieving good things on the football pitch?

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28 minutes ago, Nightmare said:

Our fans are so divided over things like this, which is one of the reasons I have no faith in fan ownership working at our club. It’s going to be a proverbial hung parliament of an ownership model, with all these daft trusts and groups wanting different things, backing different people and spending the whole time writing big statements and arguing over everything.

That and the fact we have so many happy clappers, simply satisfied with the club existing. Happy with being rubbish as long as there are “Thistle men” like Britton, Rough, etc involved. How will fan ownership work if a decent percentage of your owners’ definition of success will be nothing to do with actually achieving good things on the football pitch?

The "they want the best for the club" line always gets me with this.  "What's best" is so massively subjective, and I expect if you ask a randomly picked group of 10 fans, you'll get 10 different answers.

A lot of questions need to be answered.  I'm all for getting any fans interested in having a say to get right to f**k unless they're actually in any way qualified to make these kinds of decisions.

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3 hours ago, Hammer Jag said:

Anyone who even questions Low’s involvement on social media is immediately rounded on by her little band of sycophants. For a club that is striving towards fan ownership, the lack of transparency is worrying. 

Couldnt have put it better myself.

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2 hours ago, Nightmare said:

Our fans are so divided over things like this, which is one of the reasons I have no faith in fan ownership working at our club. It’s going to be a proverbial hung parliament of an ownership model, with all these daft trusts and groups wanting different things, backing different people and spending the whole time writing big statements and arguing over everything.

That and the fact we have so many happy clappers, simply satisfied with the club existing. Happy with being rubbish as long as there are “Thistle men” like Britton, Rough, etc involved. How will fan ownership work if a decent percentage of your owners’ definition of success will be nothing to do with actually achieving good things on the football pitch?

This is over-egged (and who says we Jags supporters can't be drama queens?), but actually expresses the two problems which any new structure will have to cope with: allowing the emergence of majority opinion to make strategic decisions and also allowing a minority view to be expressed. My view is that we can manage those problems with reasonable success.

Most football clubs in the UK don't operate that way. Instead of adopting decision-making by a broader fanbase and growing used to it, their structures are still based on the small factory-owners' approach from the century before last: what we say goes, because we own you. The fear of entering a different, more inclusive era is, at times, almost palpable, but surely the old ways are increasingly inappropriate. They almost destroyed this football club in the time of STJ; another, ostensibly more successful, club south of the Clyde fared even worse; yet another, after trying to find a harbour in various places, has been stranded away from Glasgow and its original fanbase. For the time being, we can relax, knowing that funds are not going to dry up even although there will be financial and personal challenges as a new model is introduced and adapted.

Regardless of the eventual structure, strategic decisions will go wrong sometimes. Others have fared worse: Bayern München had a tax evader as its President; Barça has staggering amounts of debt, with nobody held accountable. Scottish and English football clubs run by businessmen collapse from time to time. For our club's long-term future, it may well be more important that we have funding for the academy. We have a committed manager, a settled home and the glimmerings of a long-term future rather than just racing to reach the end of this or the next season without going insolvent. Little of that is vulnerable to fans' bad or good decision-making.

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It’s difficult to overstate how much it stinks that everyone knows Low is back and in control yet she’s still lurking in the shadows with zero public recognition of her involvement. 

Irrespective of whether you trust or like her (I dislike and distrust her), surely nobody can be happy with this weird state of affairs?

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1 hour ago, KelvindaleJag said:

This is over-egged (and who says we Jags supporters can't be drama queens?), but actually expresses the two problems which any new structure will have to cope with: allowing the emergence of majority opinion to make strategic decisions and also allowing a minority view to be expressed. My view is that we can manage those problems with reasonable success.

Most football clubs in the UK don't operate that way. Instead of adopting decision-making by a broader fanbase and growing used to it, their structures are still based on the small factory-owners' approach from the century before last: what we say goes, because we own you. The fear of entering a different, more inclusive era is, at times, almost palpable, but surely the old ways are increasingly inappropriate. They almost destroyed this football club in the time of STJ; another, ostensibly more successful, club south of the Clyde fared even worse; yet another, after trying to find a harbour in various places, has been stranded away from Glasgow and its original fanbase. For the time being, we can relax, knowing that funds are not going to dry up even although there will be financial and personal challenges as a new model is introduced and adapted.

Regardless of the eventual structure, strategic decisions will go wrong sometimes. Others have fared worse: Bayern München had a tax evader as its President; Barça has staggering amounts of debt, with nobody held accountable. Scottish and English football clubs run by businessmen collapse from time to time. For our club's long-term future, it may well be more important that we have funding for the academy. We have a committed manager, a settled home and the glimmerings of a long-term future rather than just racing to reach the end of this or the next season without going insolvent. Little of that is vulnerable to fans' bad or good decision-making.


Let focus on multimillionaire clubs like Bayern München and Barça later.

I want to know if Low and her wee pals are going to be part of the long term board or not.

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We made the Price Of Football podcast...

Spoiler

 

Pretty inaccurate summing up but hits on the point that all the money in the world doesn't make the club better if the club makes poor decisions...

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O’Ware is one of our most disappointing signings in years. Unlike the jobbers who come up from down south and you’re not really expecting much, he should be a solid, reliable player at this level as he has been before. But he’s just rubbish, and seems to be an arsehole as well.

Bin the lot. Weir needs to pull a Roy MacGregor before he hands the shares over to the fans if we’re to have any chance of staying up this year. But I doubt that’ll happen.

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Starting to get a feeling of inevitability that we're going to end up down in the seaside leagues by the endof the season.

Still feel a bit mixed in that McCall hasnt turned it around, but maybe the players are taking note from Hibs a few seasons back and going through the motions until they get paid off.

That shite we served up against Penicuik is looking really alarming to me now; little to no graft in the team and poor from back to front. We're the weakest team in the league, and without drastic changes in january we're done.

Thought we'd bottomed out last season but perhaps not.

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