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I think I'd rather keep Rudden and take whatever buttons come our way as compensation in the summer rather than punt him for marginally more buttons in January.

Obviously if we got a ludicrous offer we'd take it but why would a team do that rather than wait 5 months - plus his first jaunt to England didn't go very well albeit he was still a teenager at that point. 

I guess with Hendrie his lack of versatililty doesn't help either whereas pretty much all our other defenders can play 2 positions along the back line. He may not want to stay if he's not getting a game. 

Think we need another winger, whether that's instead of or in addition to Hastie I'm not sure. As jagfox said we're normally about 10 players down injured at this stage of the season so don't really need to make the squad much smaller. 

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2 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said:

What's the script with Rudden? He seemed to be an expensive flop for you in League One and now he's caught fire?

That is pretty much the script, although he did start his upturn in form after the resumption of league one following the covid shutdown. 

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1 hour ago, Ludo*1 said:

What's the script with Rudden? He seemed to be an expensive flop for you in League One and now he's caught fire?

The old adage of “he just needs a goal” certainly applied to him. Since he chested the ball into the net in a scrappy win over Clyde for his first goal his record is 14 in 26, which is good.

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1 hour ago, oneteaminglasgow said:

Aye, likewise. He’ll either be away to a bigger club in Scotland or head down south for a better payday.

Still mental how the first 12 months he was here, the only “highlight” of his Thistle career was getting sent off for swearing at the referee against Falkirk, and having to make a donation to the Thistle Trust as an apology.

Some of the posts on here from last season, including many from myself, will look absolutely ludicrous in hindsight. 

I believe I said he’s “never a footballer”, which now looks like a hilariously bad shout.

That said, he’s technically a bit of an enigma. Sometimes he looks like he can’t trap the ball to save his life, but on other occasions his first touch is excellent. Seems to be a big time confidence player, and for the first few months at the club he just didn’t have any.

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1 hour ago, jaggyness said:

Is Hastie not only here till January as well? Haven't seen anything to suggest that will be extended either

Yeah that's true, I've had it in my head incorrectly it was a season long loan with a break clause in January.

There's not been much of a case so far for extending it. 

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23 minutes ago, Nightmare said:

I believe I said he’s “never a footballer”, which now looks like a hilariously bad shout.

That said, he’s technically a bit of an enigma. Sometimes he looks like he can’t trap the ball to save his life, but on other occasions his first touch is excellent. Seems to be a big time confidence player, and for the first few months at the club he just didn’t have any.

If it makes you feel any better, my own shout was as follows…

On 07/04/2021 at 10:05, oneteaminglasgow said:

On Rudden, I think John Baird is the last striker I can remember us having that was so ineffectual. You’d forgive the lack of goals a bit if he did anything else, but he doesn’t really. Get him shifted to part time football as soon as possible.

It would appear that I’m a fucking idiot. 

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4 hours ago, Jacky1990 said:

Not as simplistic as saying we shouldnt patch Hendrie because "he's only played one game".

Its true, but he isnt playing for a reason. The coaching staff see him every day in training. And if hes not better than what we have we should be looking to cut our losses and bring in someone better.

But then what we have won’t be good enough and they should be getting ditched too.

 

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49 minutes ago, jagsfan57 said:

But then what we have won’t be good enough and they should be getting ditched too.

 

What you on about?

If Hendrie leaves we will be in exactly the same boat we are now. Why would that suddenly mean all our other fullback options arent good enough and should be released?

Foster, Holt and McKenna are okay fullbacks at this level. Nothing spectacular, nothing too shite. We can definitely upgrade both fullback positions, IMO, but I dont think its that immediate a concern. 

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1 hour ago, Fuctifano said:

Yeah that's true, I've had it in my head incorrectly it was a season long loan with a break clause in January.

There's not been much of a case so far for extending it. 

He'll either end up stinking the place out at Falkirk for the second half of the season or be a revelation at Arbroath or Raith and fire them to a place-off place. 

Either way, cant see him hanging around Firhill come January.

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He'll either end up stinking the place out at Falkirk for the second half of the season or be a revelation at Arbroath or Raith and fire them to a place-off place. 
Either way, cant see him hanging around Firhill come January.
I think if he goes to another club then they'd need dispensation? He's already appeared for us and Rangers B in competitive action this season. Or is the Tidser rule not a thing anymore?
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We might not get as many Rangers loanees now that Ian's pal has gone doen to Aston Villa. On the other hand that could be an interesting source of future loan players.

There old manager certainly wasn't shy in giving youngsters a place on the bench anyway. I think there were 3 or 4 brothers in one of his match day squads. 

Can we put a case that second tier Scottish football can help the footballing education of some of their young players? 

 

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1 hour ago, Jacky1990 said:

What you on about?

If Hendrie leaves we will be in exactly the same boat we are now. Why would that suddenly mean all our other fullback options arent good enough and should be released?

Foster, Holt and McKenna are okay fullbacks at this level. Nothing spectacular, nothing too shite. We can definitely upgrade both fullback positions, IMO, but I dont think its that immediate a concern. 

Well you seem to be saying we need to bring in players that are better than our current starters. 

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1 hour ago, jaggyness said:

I think if he goes to another club then they'd need dispensation? He's already appeared for us and Rangers B in competitive action this season. Or is the Tidser rule not a thing anymore?

Not sure how far down the ladder the rule goes, so you might be right (obviously excluding the fact Rangers B are more an abomination than an actual club).

Does that mean if Mason McCready made an appearance for us between now and January, we couldnt loan him out to anyone other than Gala Fairydean?

37 minutes ago, jagsfan57 said:

Well you seem to be saying we need to bring in players that are better than our current starters. 

Yes. Thats exactly what I'm saying. We arent going to be in the market for players that are actively worse than our current starters, are we? How else we meant to improve?

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4 hours ago, oneteaminglasgow said:

If it makes you feel any better, my own shout was as follows…

It would appear that I’m a fucking idiot. 

You're forgiven tbh, Chris Erskine looked every bit a junior player for months for us. It happens.

Delighted Rudden's turned out to be a good forward for us, easy to forget how unforgiving being up front can be at this level when games turn into scrapfests etc

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1 hour ago, Jacky1990 said:

Not sure how far down the ladder the rule goes, so you might be right (obviously excluding the fact Rangers B are more an abomination than an actual club).

Does that mean if Mason McCready made an appearance for us between now and January, we couldnt loan him out to anyone other than Gala Fairydean?

Yes. Thats exactly what I'm saying. We arent going to be in the market for players that are actively worse than our current starters, are we? How else we meant to improve?

Right we are back to where we started. You bin players that can’t get a start,  so if we bring in somebody that’s better than our current starter, they get binned. 

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1 hour ago, jagsfan57 said:

Right we are back to where we started. You bin players that can’t get a start,  so if we bring in somebody that’s better than our current starter, they get binned. 

And, in theory, the team on the park improves. Yes.

Youve basically just described the transfer market. 

What am I missing here? If Hendrie leaves in January and we go to replace him, Id expect us to replace him with a player better than him who can go straight into challenging for a starting position. If that means Foster or whoever gets dropped and ends up leaving, but we end up with a better left back, Im struggling to find the problem here.

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1 hour ago, Jacky1990 said:

And, in theory, the team on the park improves. Yes.

Youve basically just described the transfer market. 

What am I missing here? If Hendrie leaves in January and we go to replace him, Id expect us to replace him with a player better than him who can go straight into challenging for a starting position. If that means Foster or whoever gets dropped and ends up leaving, but we end up with a better left back, Im struggling to find the problem here.

I know what you are trying to say - but just because Hendrie hasn’t managed to break into a defence that has lost 1 goal in 8 games doesn’t mean that he isn’t good enough if/when his opportunity arises. The bit you are struggling with is how solid the defence has been.

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