Ad Lib Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 21 minutes ago, SouthLanarkshireWhite said: Unlikely to be a bigger mess, but it is possible to make a different one. If somehow they convince themselves there are no losers in the 14-14-14 structure that OF gob jockeys like Gordon Smith keep trotting out, then Clyde, Forfar and Peterhead will effectively be demoted to bottom league. Cove would also be declined entry to the second from bottom league and left in the bottom. The idea you can finish by inventing a new structure after the games have all been played and 'relegate' clubs into financial oblivion is different but just as criminal, not to mention incompetent. If they want three leagues it has to be 14/18/10 or 12 if Kelty/Brora come up. The proposal isn't 14-14-14, it's 14-10-10-10. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 Quote Tuesday 14th April, 2020 at 2:17pm At a time when football is not a priority and when people are suffering across the country, Partick Thistle is dismayed that Scottish football remains in limbo as a result of Friday’s vote. The basis of our approach throughout this situation is that no club should be worse off, either financially or in a sporting sense, as a result of any resolution. We have obtained a Joint Opinion from Senior and Junior Counsel to identify what can be done to remedy this situation. The QC’s legal Opinion concludes: 1. The information dispensed to Clubs and the process utilised in putting forward the resolution, could potentially be held to be a breach of the duty by the SPFL to provide sufficient information to member clubs to allow them to make a properly informed decision in relation to the SPFL’s resolution. In particular, the Opinion highlights the fact that the SPFL did not explain to member clubs alternative means by which payments could be made other than by requiring the immediate termination of the current league season. On that basis, clubs may have lacked sufficient information – by omission – to make an informed decision based on the SPFL’s briefing document. 2. The original vote by Dundee FC was cast in line with the SPFL’s own rules and must stand, meaning that the resolution falls. 3. There is the potential for the SPFL Articles to be altered, as would be required to bring a season to end early, in order to, for example, facilitate the payment of fees to Member Clubs. To secure a vote to end the season, the SPFL linked it to releasing funds to hard-pressed clubs, making it clear there was no alternative. However, as it now transpires, there was a vehicle to release monies in the shape of loans, quite apart from the possibility of changes being made to the SPFL Articles to allow the payments normally made at the end of the season to be made now. We would urge the SPFL to move immediately to approve loans to clubs against the monies owed to them at the season end, based on their current position in the league. With that urgent situation dealt with, there can then be considered discussion involving all clubs to address the way forward for Scottish football in this unprecedented season. The SPFL presented to clubs (in 25 pages of briefing note and resolution and with 48 hours to consider it) that there was no alternative. It is now apparent that that is not the case. Again, we restate that we are uncomfortable with the position Scottish football finds itself in at a time of national emergency and have been reticent to get involved publicly. However, as a Board, we would be wrong not to share the Opinion with our fellow clubs across the leagues, as well as with our staff, management, players and fans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawfield shed boy Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 Brechin chairman is the league rep on the SPFL board 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armand 2 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 Thistle’s statement is a potentially knock-out blow to the kangaroo court of the SPFL, its head muppet Doncaster and this geriatric mouthpiece MacLennan. I think we’re all quick to criticise senior management at Thistle so it’s only fair to quickly praise the most comprehensive piece of evidence produced in this farce so far. Unlike the Rangers statement that was a true but unsubstantiated account of events, this appears to be fairly solid professional advice demonstrating once and for all that the back-of-a-fag-packet policies of the SPFL are legally incompetent. The whole process has been gerrymandered from the get-go. How convenient it is that relegation is being proposed for 3 out of 4 leagues but not the one where it’s propped up by the team of an SPFL board member. How on earth is that anything other than blatant, shameless corruption? There cannot be one club, whether they voted for or against, that has one iota of faith left in the SPFL if it is proven that they have purposefully concealed the availability of financial support in order to push their own agenda. It must be the end of Doncaster. It has to be. And it will be quite fitting that the SPFL’s house of cards has fallen thanks in part to their morally bankrupt counterpart in Dundee FC. I have no idea what Nelms is up to or what jurisdiction he thinks he has as an unelected person, calling up clubs and looking to ‘broker deals’ as the papers put it; but for most teams, exchanging integrity for an imaginary friendly – games that this clown couldn’t even organise for his club – isn’t a good deal. It is undoubtedly a difficult situation to navigate and most options have parties that will feel injustice. Reconstruction would be a relatively pain free option - but there’s absolutely no chance that the Premier teams will vote to divide their money another two ways. The one that creates minimal resistance as far as I can see is dishing out the prize money and playing the season to a conclusion, whenever that may be and behind closed doors if necessary. But let’s not fool ourselves, though – we have been stinking this division out for nearly 2 years now and I don’t think there’s any debate that we’ve been the poorest team this season. It will be peak Thistle to win this legal battle, get the season played to a conclusion and still finish bottom of the league. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 Well bear in mind Brechin were not to be automatically relegated, unlike the other 3 tiers. They would have faced a play off. Like team 11 in the top flight. That's why nobody is suggesting BCFC get straight punted. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 The whole process has been gerrymandered from the get-go. How convenient it is that relegation is being proposed for 3 out of 4 leagues but not the one where it’s propped up by the team of an SPFL board member. How on earth is that anything other than blatant, shameless corruption?You do realise that only three out of four leagues have an automatic relegation spot, yes? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpoonTon Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 22 hours ago, Ad Lib said: The proposal isn't 14-14-14, it's 14-10-10-10. Which would still be unfair on the clubs in 3rd and 4th place. Reconstruction cannot produce a fair resolution. It might provide a positive path forward, if someone has a worthwhile longer term plan, but it shouldn't be just used as a mechanism to save clubs in relegation positions or automatically promote selected clubs in playoff positions - as if this is somehow fairer. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 On 14/04/2020 at 12:39, VictorOnopko said: So, just to summarise where we are at this point: Doon 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKMAN Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 Unlucky lads, valiant effort all round. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmfc Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Cicero Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 Feeneeshed -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finlay21 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Paul Cicero said: Feeneeshed Not so sure , there is no word on promotion or relegation so far , just stated league winners and said restructuring is being looked at !! But we could always hope they go down Edited April 15, 2020 by Robbo63 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black sapper Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 (edited) Who is Ross McArthur? And why was he 'threatening' people ? Edited April 15, 2020 by black sapper incomplete 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dundee-FC92 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 I'd like to apologise for our disgraceful decision makers at Dundee FC. We voted No on Friday electronically - for this to change over the weekend and be accepted is an absolute disgrace for the whole of Scottish football. Never been so ashamed to call myself a Dee. Thank you. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Koop Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 8 minutes ago, Robbo63 said: Not so sure , there is no word on promotion or relegation so far , just stated league winners and said restructuring is being looked at !! But we could always hope they go down Nothing in the SPFL statement about teams relegated. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 We were going down anyway. We just have to make sure that Thistle fans only give their money to clubs that voted No. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finlay21 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 1 minute ago, Dr Koop said: Nothing in the SPFL statement about teams relegated. I am certain they will go for a 14 team Premiership, Hearts and Hamilton looking at a restructuring proposal, surely they will want another 2 teams up giving them a chance of staying up again next season , I can’t see any relegation taking place this season 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finlay21 Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier said: We were going down anyway. We just have to make sure that Thistle fans only give their money to clubs that voted No. Means you will only get to a couple of away games 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
placidcasual Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 League One forum for this shite. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted April 15, 2020 Share Posted April 15, 2020 1 minute ago, Dr Koop said: Nothing in the SPFL statement about teams relegated. Exactly. The SPFL board has shat itself. The Jags, ICT and Stranraer can submit a new resolution that would reverse any attempt to relegate clubs. The clubs would have 28 days to vote on it. In any case, the PTFC Board should also be preparing its appeals to UEFA, CAS etc and legal action in case they are necessary. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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