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[jagfox]

What Ayr player is in today’s advent calendar window?

[forameus]

 

11 hours ago, dave.j said:

A young lad who happened to be black, raised concerns about the perceived make up of the Group Board and those involved.

He seems to have some learning difficulties and struggled to get his point across, but it was understood.

His concern being that the perception of those involved in the Working Group seemed to be all pretty much middle aged, white men.

Elaine Sibbald clearly took offence to this, leaping up from the row infront and telling the lad that she wasn't a middle aged white man and if that was his perception maybe he should get an application and join the Working Group. 

 

10 hours ago, ScottyG said:

The first point was almost negated by the demographics of the meeting as the age group who were most disadvantaged were the best represented.

I didn't take the same out of the response that you did. It sounded like an invitation to become involved.

I see where you're coming from, but if someone black is talking about "middle-aged, white men", then I doubt he's really talking about the gender make-up of the group.  If that's how it went down, then that sounds like a pretty big misreading of the situation. 

[dave.j]

16 minutes ago, forameus said:

 

 

I see where you're coming from, but if someone black is talking about "middle-aged, white men", then I doubt he's really talking about the gender make-up of the group.  If that's how it went down, then that sounds like a pretty big misreading of the situation. 

Sorry, you've quoted us both. Who do you think misread the situation?

 

Me, Scotty or the lady from the Working Group? 

 

The reason I ask is at the time I was bloody gobsmacked at her reaction. I looked across at it and said to the guy behind me, "how to win friends and influence people, eh". 

After the event that guy said to me, what did you make of that. He couldn't believe her attitude either. 

 

Since then I see the reporter Euan Robertson who was there, has also mentioned it, in his Twitter feed. 

Edited December 19, 2019 by dave.j

[forameus]

29 minutes ago, dave.j said:

Sorry, you've quoted us both. Who do you think misread the situation?

Me, Scotty or the lady from the Working Group? 

The reason I ask is at the time I was bloody gobsmacked at her reaction. I looked across at it and said to the guy behind me, "how to win friends and influence people, eh". 

After the event that guy said to me, what did you make of that. He couldn't believe her attitude either. 

Since then I see the reporter Euan Robertson who was there, has also mentioned it, in his Twitter feed. 

The second one.  I'd agree with what you said, seems like a pretty odd thing to jump on from Sibbald.  Had this been a woman standing up and saying that it was all men in the group, fine.  I still wouldn't have reacted slightly confrontational like that, but at least the core of it would be fair enough.  

Edited December 19, 2019 by forameus

[Nightmare]

Her reaction was pretty poor, yeah.

The answer to most questions seemed to be “put in an application to join the working group”. Not sure who looks at and approves/declines these applications either, and on what grounds.

[Bairnardo]

Aaron Muirhead m8

What Ayr player is in today’s advent calendar window? [emoji848]

[jagfox]

43 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

Aaron Muirhead m8

I liked big Aero in the old first division. Struggled a bit with injury and form in the top flight. His career seems to have gone a bit sideways since heading back to the second tier. 

[VladimirMooc]

1 hour ago, Nightmare said:

Her reaction was pretty poor, yeah.

The answer to most questions seemed to be “put in an application to join the working group”. Not sure who looks at and approves/declines these applications either, and on what grounds.

The notion that unless you put yourself forward to get actively involved you aren’t allowed to express an opinion is a pretty rank one, too. There’s all sorts of reasons why people won’t be able to get involved, but they should still be allowed to express their opinion - especially when cowboys like Goodwin are involved. 

Edited December 19, 2019 by VladimirMooc

[jagfox]

As well as Barjonas we are being linked with Rangers Youth player Lewis Mayo...

Nope, me either...

[Armand 2]

37 minutes ago, jagfox99 said:

As well as Barjonas we are being linked with Rangers Youth player Lewis Mayo...

Nope, me either...

Bit concerning that he's 'unknown' to Rangers as well...

In all seriousness, I've heard Mayo is well thought of and featured in the first team's pre-season games. Don't know much about him as a player though.

Barjonas strikes me as quite similar to Docherty so I would imagine his signing would put paid to any possibility of an early arrival.

 

[jagfox]

Quote

Our thanks are extended to all who came along to our initial meeting on Tuesday December 17th . We were greatly encouraged by the numbers that attended on a cold night just before Christmas. The range of questions asked on the night coupled with feedback we’ve subsequently had have been extremely useful.

The purpose of our initial meeting was to provide an overview about fan ownership. Our next meeting, scheduled for Thursday January 9th 2020, will focus in more detail on the Working Group itself, its remit and the journey towards Partick Thistle becoming a fan owned club.

Some of the questions on Tuesday covered topics which the Working Group are in no
position to provide answers to other than informed speculation. In particular, the detailed business plans of the club either at present or in the future are both outwith our remit and our knowledge. That remains the responsibility of the club board, as it will continue to do after the share transfer.

The remit of the Working Group is solely to recommend the operational structure that will be implemented after the share transfer, and to engage with fans in determining the finer detail of these arrangements. As noted, similar structures are already in place elsewhere in Scottish football, most notably at Motherwell and Hearts, and we’d anticipate our model will resemble these fairly closely, although the detail may differ as determined by you.

We appreciate that everyone is busy, but we would urge you to get involved with this
process. Don’t think for one second that you aren’t qualified to participate. If you are a
Partick Thistle fan, if you care about the future of our football club, then you already qualify to participate.

 

[dave.j]

The Working Groups sole purpose is to recommend an Operational Structure that will be implemented upon Share Transfer. 

That's it. That's their only job. 

Edited December 19, 2019 by dave.j

[dave.j]

Which begs the question. What the f**k is this pish.... 

 

The PTFC Working Group has invited fans to step forward to join the team that’s working on identifying an appropriate model to enable fan ownership of Partick Thistle FC, allowing Three Black Cats (3BC) to hand over its shareholding to the new entity by 30 th March 2020.

The Working Group (WG) has now identified a structure to enable more fans to get involved and would like to hear from fans from all parts of the fanbase, regardless of age, sex or experience, with or without any previous involvement in the Club other than being a fan.

The structure is as follows:

1. Working Group – will set the strategy, oversee the process and the six-sub-groups
that sit below it. A further 4 – 6 people would help strengthen the group.
Current membership is: Ian Wright, Chairman; Allan Heron, Secretary; Pauline
Graham; Gordon Shaw; Elainne Sibbald.

2. Sub-groups – will address particular issues or provide support to the overall project.
The Chairmen will report to the main WG, but will not sit on it:

Model for community ownership – what would this look like; is it a structure used
by another club; structure and relationships; how it would work in real time.
Chairman – Paul Goodwin

Finance and Membership – who will be members; what will it cost to run; how will
finances be arranged/pledges made.
Chairman – Vacant

Fan engagement – responsible for organising all public events, surveys,
consultations etc and liaising with Comms for maximum impact. Responsible for
identifying the name for the new entity in association with the fan base.
Chairman – Vacant

Communications – responsible for all written materials and social media, identify a
communications’ schedule and deliver it for the period until 30th March.
Chairman – Tom Hosie

Creating a new legal entity – to work with external specialist lawyers to create the
legal framework for the new fan ownership entity
Chairman – Vacant

Project management/Creating the Presentation – tracking all activity is crucial as
is managing it so this group will pull it all together to allow activity schedules and a
timeline to be created. In parallel, a final document and presentation needs to be
structured and created to allow information to be dropped in. This group will look at
that.
Chairman – Craig Dunn

[mrcat1990]

So the Working Group who are appointed as the head team are telling folks to get involved, without actually specifying how they want us to get involved? Do we just rock up the Aitken suite with a tenner and a sponge?

Fan ownership from what I've seen still nears clear leadership putting forward proposals to the fans, generally guaged by fan opinion and current events, and the fans then vote. Presently all its all a bit unclear what is happening.

I wasn't particularly convinced by the new takeover and proposals, but if they can actually put it together nicely and set forward different membership schemes I'll get involved. Right now feels like that's not coming anytime soon.

[jaggymct]

Might not happen because of injury to Helander. Barjonas is on though as far as I know

As well as Barjonas we are being linked with Rangers Youth player Lewis Mayo...

Nope, me either...[emoji848][emoji6]

[jaggyness]

Might not happen because of injury to Helander. Barjonas is on though as far as I know

Isn't there a rule on how many players you can have from one club?

[Firhill_Basin]

7 hours ago, dave.j said:

Which begs the question. What the f**k is this pish.... 

 

The PTFC Working Group has invited fans to step forward to join the team that’s working on identifying an appropriate model to enable fan ownership of Partick Thistle FC, allowing Three Black Cats (3BC) to hand over its shareholding to the new entity by 30 th March 2020.

The Working Group (WG) has now identified a structure to enable more fans to get involved and would like to hear from fans from all parts of the fanbase, regardless of age, sex or experience, with or without any previous involvement in the Club other than being a fan.

The structure is as follows:

1. Working Group – will set the strategy, oversee the process and the six-sub-groups
that sit below it. A further 4 – 6 people would help strengthen the group.
Current membership is: Ian Wright, Chairman; Allan Heron, Secretary; Pauline
Graham; Gordon Shaw; Elainne Sibbald.

2. Sub-groups – will address particular issues or provide support to the overall project.
The Chairmen will report to the main WG, but will not sit on it:

Model for community ownership – what would this look like; is it a structure used
by another club; structure and relationships; how it would work in real time.
Chairman – Paul Goodwin

Finance and Membership – who will be members; what will it cost to run; how will
finances be arranged/pledges made.
Chairman – Vacant

Fan engagement – responsible for organising all public events, surveys,
consultations etc and liaising with Comms for maximum impact. Responsible for
identifying the name for the new entity in association with the fan base.
Chairman – Vacant

Communications – responsible for all written materials and social media, identify a
communications’ schedule and deliver it for the period until 30th March.
Chairman – Tom Hosie

Creating a new legal entity – to work with external specialist lawyers to create the
legal framework for the new fan ownership entity
Chairman – Vacant

Project management/Creating the Presentation – tracking all activity is crucial as
is managing it so this group will pull it all together to allow activity schedules and a
timeline to be created. In parallel, a final document and presentation needs to be
structured and created to allow information to be dropped in. This group will look at
that.
Chairman – Craig Dunn

I have been told that Goodwin suggested in order to plug money gaps at the club we should hire out the Aitken suite more often. What a visionary. Stirling Albion don't know what they're missing.

[Passionate]

7 hours ago, mrcat1990 said:

So the Working Group who are appointed as the head team are telling folks to get involved, without actually specifying how they want us to get involved? Do we just rock up the Aitken suite with a tenner and a sponge?

Fan ownership from what I've seen still nears clear leadership putting forward proposals to the fans, generally guaged by fan opinion and current events, and the fans then vote. Presently all its all a bit unclear what is happening.

I wasn't particularly convinced by the new takeover and proposals, but if they can actually put it together nicely and set forward different membership schemes I'll get involved. Right now feels like that's not coming anytime soon.

It seems very similar to the proposed Airdrie model,  when the consortium rescued the club from Tom Wotherspoon,   Lots of committees and sub committees,  ours never really got going with various fallouts and dick swinging going on.    A clash of egos is a real danger and at the end of the day 3pm on a Saturday is all that really matters to the majority of people supporting any club..   Oh and Paul Goodwin seems an absolute fantasies who can talk for hours and tell you the square root of f all..   Merry Christmas

[Finlay21]

43 minutes ago, jaggyness said:

58 minutes ago, jaggymct said:

Might not happen because of injury to Helander. Barjonas is on though as far as I know

Isn't there a rule on how many players you can have from one club

i believe it is 2 in the Championship , 

[D'Jaffo]

So either we get both and Palmer goes, or we get one (which looks like it’ll be Barjonas) and Palmer stays.

Or you could do what Morton did and make one of them permanent.