Peppino Impastato Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Idiot Sorry to break it to you, so do the SNP.No they don't, brexit next month they support one, the greens don't, material change they support one, greens don't. This is the high tide mark for the snap, we could be waiting decades for another chancenow, wwe'll be sitting there in old people's homes saying yeah those green tubes fucked it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 No they don't, brexit next month they support one, the greens don't, material change they support one, greens don't. This is the high tide mark for the snap, we could be waiting decades for another chancenow, wwe'll be sitting there in old people's homes saying yeah those green tubes fucked it. So, in 6 weeks time Scotland votes for remain and rUK brexit. At what point in your opinion would a majority SNP govt call a referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisGRAEME Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 of As I said, all these second vote green types are wallopers swho hhave just seriously damaged the independence cause, kiss goodbye to a referendum in this parliament now as the greens won't support it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Heliums Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 No they don't, brexit next month they support one, the greens don't, material change they support one, greens don't. This is the high tide mark for the snap, we could be waiting decades for another chancenow, wwe'll be sitting there in old people's homes saying yeah those green tubes fucked it. But Yes would lose again. The continual talk of a second indyref helped coalesce a vote around the Tories this time. It actually harmed the SNP. On Brexit, lets wait and see what actually happens. I doubt we'll exit anyway and if we do - and if we vote to stay in - there will be plenty of time to built up the required level of support for a referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Th greens oppose an early referendum, there's nothing good about this for independence at all its a disaster Sit down m23. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 So, in 6 weeks time Scotland votes for remain and rUK brexit. At what point in your opinion would a majority SNP govt call a referendum. Immediately, to be held In 2018. This is not news, that's always been the snap position they would pursue a referendum in those circumstances, the greens wouldn't and would instead haul down the new for bridge cause trees n that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Heliums Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 of As I said, all these second vote green types are wallopers swho hhave just seriously damaged the independence cause, kiss goodbye to a referendum in this parliament now as the greens won't support it. Their manifesto explicitly says they will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 But Yes would lose again. The continual talk of a second indyref helped coalesce a vote around the Tories this time. It actually harmed the SNP. On Brexit, lets wait and see what actually happens. I doubt we'll exit anyway and if we do - and if we vote to stay in - there will be plenty of time to built up the required level of support for a referendum. absolute nonsense all polls show show in the event of brexit we'd win by a mile, that's the perfect time to have it. Invergowrie Arab Arabia also being very disingenuous as the snp can't call callareferendum they can only go to wm and say this gives us a mandate to hold one. I hate when ppeople have to lie to make their argument, pet hate of mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Immediately, to be held In 2018. This is not news, that's always been the snap position they would pursue a referendum in those circumstances, the greens wouldn't and would instead haul down the new for bridge cause trees n that. Maybe you dreamt that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 See if we have a referendum every 5 years until we get independence can we make sure that after we are independent we have a referendum every 5 years until we vote for reunification? And continue the cycle ad infinitum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Their manifesto explicitly says they will It gives a vague commitment laden with caveats which mean not any time soon, the greens are not going to help, us winnindependnce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 It gives a vague commitment laden with caveats which mean not any time soon, the greens are not going to help, us winnindependnce The irony is idiots like you are more of a danger to dream of independence than the greens you seem to despise. Only your ignorance stops you from seeing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Will never happen. As all the unionists are going to up sticks and move to either England or Northern Ireland when Scotland does become independent. (That was the narrative last time). Oh, how those orange sash walks are going to be a real loss for us. Why do we need to do it now then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 The irony is idiots like you are more of a danger to dream of independence than the greens you seem to despise. Only your ignorance stops you from seeing this. no your naivety is thee biggest threat, imo independence is extremely unlikely now, Scotland so owners in London are celebrating today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 See if we have a referendum every 5 years until we get independence can we make sure that after we are independent we have a referendum every 5 years until we vote for reunification? And continue the cycle ad infinitum. I think what you mean is a Neverendum!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londonwell Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 no your naivety is thee biggest threat, imo independence is extremely unlikely now, Scotland so owners in London are celebrating today If you say so, boss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dipped Flake Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Th greens oppose an early referendum, there's nothing good about this for independence at all its a disaster anyone who supports an early referendum is off their head as we would lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted May 6, 2016 Author Share Posted May 6, 2016 While I can understand that SNP have to campaign for every vote, I think the #BothVotesSNP tagline has backfired on them. A lot of those second votes would have been Green, giving a few more pro-Indy MSPs. In saying that, are the Greens pro-Indy by default or do they leave that up to the MSP to decide? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 Peppy's brain has gone Fuzzy again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted May 6, 2016 Share Posted May 6, 2016 I think the lack of a majority is a healthy thing for Holyrood. The whole system isn't really set up for majorities anyway and I think this result reflects what the country is thinking right now and gives everybody a chance to influence legislation and maybe take more of a collective responsibility which may calm the SNPBAD rhetoric. The Greens have shown a willingness to work constructively and I think that we will see a similar spirit from the Lib Dems. Labour are the question but they've got a lot of work to do and logic would suggest that their new status will give the party a bit more freedom to say what they actually think and maybe influence parliament. The SNP are a vehicle to independence but there is a long way to go and I think people have to remember that the Scottish Parliament is very young. I'm fairly confident that in time, we'll see more people from all across the spectrum see Holyrood as a more constructive place for doing business and opposition will become more and more timid. SNP majority after majority increases the pressure on their party leadership about a referendum timing (which should not be rushed or called for the sake of it) and furthers the perception that they own the concept which is a limiting factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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