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The whole sending her children to private school fiasco, was very awkward to watch at the hustings.

Also, a young child asked Ash for an apology over something that was said about the named persons scheme - apparently Lloyd Quinan represented Ash at a hustings that she couldn't attend, when he was asked about the named persons scheme, he supposedly said that it wasn't 'mandatory'. Ash didn't exactly handle the situation gracefully to say the least.

Kenny MacAskill will be sorely missed, I know that he is divivise character because of the whole centralised police Scotland debacle, but he was a great public servant to our constituency.

I am a member of the Eastern branch myself also, I have been put of form going to branch meetings because of some of the posturing of activists in my local area.

Agree about Kenny MacAskill. When I lived in Edinburgh East, I had cause to ask him for help and he was very helpful. Definitely a good MSP.

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Why would anyone right wing be in the Labour Party?

Ask Tony Blair (who used to be your avatar) or Peter Mandelson (who used to be a human) or a miriad of others. I was a member of the Labour Party for 20 years, I know how many right wing people found a home there.

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The issue about Kenny McAskill is that he literally released the biggest mass murderer in Scotland's history to score points.

Lost count of the amount of times you have tried to troll over this subject. Give it up 😂
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Lol!

Yep, I've said it numerous times, his constituency work rate is simply phenomenal and he is genuinely admired within Eastern, the fact that he kept getting elected proved that.

He's refused loads of offers of farewell dinners, parties etc all from various groups not just the SNP as he simply doesn't want the fuss would confirm it as well.

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Why would anyone right wing be in the Labour Party?

 

Remember that in the 50s and early 60s Labour and the Tories agreed more often than they disagreed (Butskellism). The impact of the Welfare State and nationalisation of key industries had blurred the lines between the socialists and the paternalistic Tories.

 

Unfortunately this opened the way to latter day Napoleons and Squealers such as Giles Radice and Tony Blair, seeing Labour as proffering safer seats & easier prospects for advancement than the Tories. The more mulish of the Trade Unions were much to blame by sponsoring these parasites (after they done some time as HQ pen pushers to fool them they were "on their side") & with too many branches adopting candidates on trade union sectarian lines (ie. the strongest union in an area got their nominations in rather than on merit), it meant "safe" Labour areas became vulnerable to being run on neo-feudalist lines where anyone with eyes to see watched in despair as people more suited to the ranks of the Tories became their "voices" in Parliament.

 

By 1964, Enoch Powell was warning "In the end, the Labour Party could cease to represent labour. Stranger historic ironies have happened than that." Much as he opposed the Labour Party, he recognised the importance of proper Parliamentary representation and that if communities felt this had been stolen from them - and their voices with it - they may decided to look for other and perhaps more sinister alternatives. By 1971, the Who were to release their grand polemic "Won't Get Fooled Again" spitting that "the party on the left is now the party on the right... here comes the new boss, same as the old boss."

 

The real tipping point of course was when Labour & its monobrowed prole supporters became so desperate to win they were happy to back anyone & anything: enter Tony Blair & Gordon Brown with the thoroughly evil Peter Mandelson in tow. Yes, it got them three GE election victories in a row - but it created a generation unfogged by past history that saw no difference between the pigs in the blue rosettes and the red rosettes, & who started looking for alternatives. The BNP, Greens, UKIP and especially the SNP were all in turn to reap the benefits of Labour's long term folly.

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Why would anyone right wing be in the Labour Party?

Tony Blair? Anyone....

ETA. I think you sometimes confuse the trades union movement for being "labour"-that ceased to be the case a long time ago.

You just have to look how they are viewed by Scottish working class now. They'd rather vote Tory! Yes, fuckin Tory!

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Went back through the thread to see what I missed in the small hours of Friday morning when the results were coming in, and...

 

FFS!
 

We are the cockroaches of Scottish politics. Deal with it.



That was our expectation going into this election.

We are the cockroaches of Scottish politics. Get it so far up all of you.



Of course I've been on the single-malt. The Liberal Democrats have clung-in like beautiful fucking cockroaches on the constituencies. We expected Armageddon and being desperately dependent on the list. Yet we have 4 seats digging in with thousands to spare. Alex Cole-Hamilton is going to be excellent and Willie has forced me to eat humble pie.

You can kick the shit out of the Liberals but we will take your beatings and dish it back in bloody noses. If you have to win we will make you bleed.



Willie and Alex absolutely cunted you in the only worthwhile part of Edinburgh and the only educated part of Fife.

GET IT ROUND YOU

#GlenGrant #GlenMoray #GlenFucket

I see Graeme Cowie gets a bit "emotional" when his party's reduced to finishing behind even the Greens and is looking for whatever crumbs of comfort he can find. Even so... good grief.

 

Still, won't disagree that his party are the cockroaches of Scottish politics - although the cockroaches might be tempted to sue...

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To be fair, 4 of the Libbies 5 seats were actual constituencies whereas all 6 Green seats were on the list.

I can see why the Libs would think they had a good night

Aye amazing so it was. Willy will now have his question tagged in at the end when the Tele is cutting FMQs off. Glorious victory indeed 😂

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Not surprising given that you're so closely aligned to their politics. Maybe SLab would have a slightly better chance in the future if rabid right wingers were to leave. Then again, maybe not.

What an angry man you are. 

I clearly stated that I didn't agree with his politics, but that I was pleased for him on a personal level - I know him fairly well and he's one of the nicest people I've met in politics. I know good people in the SNP, and I would be equally happy for them if they stood successfully for the Scottish Parliament or anywhere else - again, despite not sharing their politics. 

Stop being such a fruitcake. 

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Went back through the thread to see what I missed in the small hours of Friday morning when the results were coming in, and...

FFS!

I see Graeme Cowie gets a bit "emotional" when his party's reduced to finishing behind even the Greens and is looking for whatever crumbs of comfort he can find. Even so... good grief.

Still, won't disagree that his party are the cockroaches of Scottish politics - although the cockroaches might be tempted to sue...

You seem upset.

Given the Lib Dems could easily have wound-up with 1 or 2 seats, the Great Escape-esque efforts in the constituencies is more than a little bit satisfying.

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