Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Can you imagine how Rangers fans are going to react to weekly choruses of YNRA? Best described as hate crimes IMO. I can see a lot of fans being in the dock at The Hague by Christmas. Probably the only way any of us will still be in Europe by then though, so not all bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever_blue Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Two 'selfs' to go with two clubs? Did you have that word with yourself , can we move on now ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 I posted a link to my article for TalkingBaws earlier today, but I'll post it up in full as well. Because click-bait is irritating. Feel free to ignore. http://talkingbaws.com/2016/04/ollie-wale-rangers-havent-saved-scottish-football-things-couldnt-get-any-better-for-some/ Armageddon: 4 Years Later Following the confirmation that Rangers will soon be plying their trade in the top-tier of Scottish football, it seems an appropriate time to discuss the current state of our nation's premier division. Four years ago, the SFA's chief executive issued a bleak warning. If rival chairmen voted in favour of Rangers being banished to the basement of the Scottish leagues, a ''slow and lingering death'' would befall various top-flight clubs. Within a matter of weeks, numerous clubs would meekly succumb to the inevitable fate of administration. Stewart Regan's ominous forebodings were echoed by Neil Doncaster. In turn, a number of national media outlets would gleefully jump upon the bandwagon and salivate in anticipation. 'Armageddon' was coming. Or was it? Four years later, Rangers won't be emerging into some sort of barren wasteland. No supporter has witnessed their club's untimely demise. In fact, the Scottish Premiership is in remarkable health. Attendances have only fluctuated slightly, with some top-flight clubs even seeing a rise in figures. Celtic have, understandably, suffered the most. Their average home support has seen a significant decrease. Poor on-pitch performances won't have done much to aid this situation throughout recent months, but Rangers' promotion could nonetheless act as a revitalising boost for their Glasgow rivals. Since 2012, comparatively 'small' clubs have enjoyed the most successful periods in their history. St. Johnstone, Inverness Caledonian Thistle and Ross County have won their first major trophies. Saints and Caley have represented their country in the Europa League. The former, remarkably, are currently aiming to achieve their 5th consecutive European qualification. Without the stranglehold of the Old Firm, seven clubs have won major trophies: Hearts, Kilmarnock, St. Mirren, Aberdeen and the three clubs already mentioned. The top league is more competitive than ever, whilst lower-league finances have undoubtedly benefited from the travelling Rangers support. Apart from Celtic, it's a fairly level playing field at the peak of the national game. Since the start of the current season, supporters of most Premiership teams have taken a moment to glance anxiously at the bottom half of the league table. Nobody's safety is guaranteed. Although I believe this to be a positive thing, some high-profile pundits have taken the opposite view. During the televised pre-match discussion in the build-up to last month's League Cup final between Ross County and Hibernian, Gordon Strachan seemingly thought it was a sensible time to voice his opinions on the matter. Rather than discussing the show-piece occasion itself, the Scotland manager decided to bemoan the fact that Hibs aren't a Premiership team anymore. Fair enough. But then he took it one step further. There must be some way, he said, to avoid this in future. Too many big clubs are falling out of the big league. Rangers, Hearts and Hibs have already fallen out of the big league. Dundee United might fall out of the big league soon. The league system needs to be restructured so we don't lost our best teams from the big league. I am paraphrasing, yes, but that is roughly the gist of what he said. Unlike Strachan, most people surely realise that we haven't lost our best teams from the Premiership. Hibs were relegated because they were the second-worst team in the Premiership. Rangers and Hearts paid the price for financial misdemeanours. The latter didn't possess a strong enough team to recover from a points deduction. Funnily enough, Dundee United are currently bottom of the league because they haven't been as good as anyone else. The size of a club isn't remotely relevant to its present-day quality on the pitch. The twelve teams which currently inhabit the top-tier of Scottish football are, believe it or not, the twelve best teams in the country. The bigwigs may be desperate to promote our national game to rich television companies, and they may consider our product to be more financially viable when the 'big' teams are involved, but the quality of football is surely the most important thing. Any attempt to fast-track those clubs to the top-tier would make a mockery of Scottish football. As we approach the final weekend of pre-split fixtures, the Scottish Premiership remains as tight and competitive as it's ever been. Dundee United could yet escape automatic relegation. Hamilton Academical and Kilmarnock are also in danger. At the other end of the table, Aberdeen remain within five points of league leaders Celtic. With one match remaining before the post-split schedule is announced, Motherwell, St. Johnstone, Dundee, Partick Thistle, Ross County and Inverness Caledonian Thistle still don't know whether they'll finish in the top six or bottom six. At a stage of the season when a lot of clubs are generally aware of their destiny, this present-day uncertainty is refreshingly intriguing. Next season, the Scottish Premiership will receive an influx of media attention. Will Rangers be able to forge an immediate challenge for the title? Should this be their initial priority? Neil Doncaster has proclaimed that Rangers' participation in the top-flight will be a good thing for their Premiership rival clubs. It might be. We don't know yet. With any significant change, there is always that element of doubt. Things have been looking increasingly rosy. Contrary to Doncaster's belief, the reputation of Scottish football hasn't been tarnished by the absence of the Old Firm rivalry. When he constantly repeats this tedious sound-bite, suggesting that the game isn't marketable without Celtic and Rangers, it ironically tarnishes the game's reputation more than anything else does. We have a reasonable television deal and, most importantly, we have an unpredictable and entertaining product. TalkSport's Adrian Durham yesterday asked the question, 'Have Rangers FC just saved Scottish football?'. With no disrespect intended, the answer is a resounding 'no'. We don't need to be saved. For some of us, things probably couldn't get any better. Pretty good. The Durham ignorance needs turned on its head of course. Scottish football saved Rangers. After all this, there still seems a reluctance to recognise the interdependence on which all our clubs, big and small, rely. 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The_Kincardine Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Is this the new Head Scone thread? There's a lot of heads rolling about lately kinky Indeed, Bluey. How can the diddies get themselves so out of shape over our new club getting promoted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Rogic Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Adrian Durham is a grade A fanny and total wind up merchant, anyone who takes him seriously or believes his trolling pish needs a fucking slap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Adrian Durham is a grade A fanny and total wind up merchant, anyone who takes him seriously or believes his trolling pish needs a fucking slap Sounds like a bloke talking sense to me: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgy129 Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 How do we get rid of this cockwomble p***k?? Total embarrassment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepundit Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 In part, that's true. I think though that his responsibility goes a bit beyond amassing as much gross income as possible for the League. His comments about the good of Scottish football would indicate that he thinks that too. If that's the case, then he's failed spectacularly. Even if it's the narrower remit though, I think his talking down of the game will have contributed to a degree of failure in that sphere too. He can talk about good, competitive, football (although I don't think he has) but at the end of the day what will determine whether or not he has done his job properly is the money clubs bring in. Do you think the flack he took for the league failing to get a sponsor was based on the lack of quality football on show? No, it was about money. Rangers being in the league makes his job easier, that's just a fact. So of course he's going to say Rangers' promotion is a good thing for Scottish football. (and he's right to say so) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 He can talk about good, competitive, football (although I don't think he has) but at the end of the day what will determine whether or not he has done his job properly is the money clubs bring in. Do you think the flack he took for the league failing to get a sponsor was based on the lack of quality football on show? No, it was about money. Rangers being in the league makes his job easier, that's just a fact. So of course he's going to say Rangers' promotion is a good thing for Scottish football. (and he's right to say so) The wellbeing of Scottish football is not just related to money though, so he's wrong to say that so unequivocally. I wasn't necessarily referring to quality of football either. There's more to what makes this football lark healthy or otherwise, than you seem to appreciate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Rangers being in the league makes his job easier, that's just a fact. So of course he's going to say Rangers' promotion is a good thing for Scottish football. (and he's right to say so) Another sane post, Pundy and, of course, we're Scottish football's biggest draw. Sake, we were P&B's biggest draw even before we went tits up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Sounds like a bloke talking sense to me: Leaving all bravado aside, you must cringe yourself, when you hear the ignorant, error filled rambling of these clowns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepundit Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 The wellbeing of Scottish football is not just related to money though, so he's wrong to say that so unequivocally. I wasn't necessarily referring to quality of football either. There's more to what makes this football lark healthy or otherwise, than you seem to appreciate. The wellbeing of any top club is related to money so you can disagree all you want. Another sane post, Pundy and, of course, we're Scottish football's biggest draw. Sake, we were P&B's biggest draw even before we went tits up. We will, and will always be, Scottish football's top draw, Kinky! I believed it before, but I think it's been proven in recent times beyond any doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 The wellbeing of any top club is related to money so you can disagree all you want. We will, and will always be, Scottish football's top draw, Kinky! I believed it before, but I think it's been proven in recent times beyond any doubt. I wasn't referring to the wellbeing of a club though; I was talking about the wellbeing of the game - something very different. Following a big club means a tremendous amount to you doesn't it? A strange thing for an adult to delight in, in my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killiefan27 Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Saw Lorenzo Amoruso saying the other day that The Rangers were "unjustly relegated"!! Begs the question, do you all get a wee newspaper sent round which edits out any non-Rangers facts? Prod-da perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepundit Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 I wasn't referring to the wellbeing of a club though; I was talking about the wellbeing of the game I understood what you were talking about. I'd argue, however, Neil Doncaster doesn't care about the quality of football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Saw Lorenzo Amoruso saying the other day that The Rangers were "unjustly relegated"!! Begs the question, do you all get a wee newspaper sent round which edits out any non-Rangers facts? Prod-da perhaps? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorenzo_Amoruso Club career ItalyHe began his career at local club, Bari, in 1988, for whom he went on to make 75 appearances, scoring 8 goals. Amoruso spent 1991-1993 on loan at Mantova and Pescara, but only featured intermittently. In 1995 he secured a move to Fiorentina https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACF_Fiorentina ACF Fiorentina commonly referred to as simply Fiorentina is a professional Italian football club from Florence, Tuscany. Founded by a merger in 1926, and refounded in 2002 following bankruptcy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Leaving all bravado aside, you must cringe yourself, when you hear the ignorant, error filled rambling of these clowns. Indeed. I almost sought an English consulate for refuge after listening to the wee sheepie and, above all, the Hibee moron. What a fucking mess so many Scottish football fans are in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
professor challenger Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Don't know about you being a top draw as your promotion will cost Thistle a season ticket. Hard enough buying one and not doing Celtic games but I'm not paying for one and missing two sets of fixtures. Unless of course Thistle bring out a non OF season ticket. I will not breathe the same air as you people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 I will not breathe the same air as you people. You do, chappy and I hope your carer is a blue nose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFL12 Posted April 7, 2016 Share Posted April 7, 2016 Several football clubs were losing money before Rangers were declared bankrupt and forced to create a Phoenix imitation. Hearts, Killie, Gretna, Dundee, Dunfermline, Livingston... oh yeah, and Rangers. The plain fact is that people like Milne said that the fact that several of the larger teams were outside the top flight didn't help revenues or attendances, albeit that isn't even particularly strongly shown in the numbers. He was referring to the combination of Rangers, Hearts and Hibs not being in the top-flight, all three of whom will routinely bring strong crowds to Pittodrie. As far as clubs like Thistle are concerned, we benefit absolutely f**k all from Rangers existing as a football club, and if anything their glory hunting spendthrift approach to football contaminates Glasgow with mindless hysteria that pulls fans away from watching the Jags even if they are the local team. The amount extra in revenue we get for you or Celtic coming to Firhill is off-set by the malaise you create in Scottish football that more generally keeps the fans away and the extortionate policing costs and hostile atmosphere you generate every time you come to our stadium. If Ibrox went on fire I wouldn't piss on it. You do realise Killie have not actually had an administration type event like the other clubs you mentioned above? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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