Cockwomble is at it again

[Mr Heliums]

For all he's a bit of a clown he isnt being disrespectful or wrong by stating that The Rangers being in the top flight and having 3 or 4 games against Celtic will put them in a better bargaining position for negotiating deals with sponsors and TV companies

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*Although im sure the current deal with SKY and BT Sport has at least a year or two to run and little or no scope to renegotiate

 

Even if we were to accept that they will be in a better place for negotiating, that isn't the same as 'helping Scottish football'. Because on just about every other measure, it won't. 

 

And, as you've admitted, there isn't scope for re-negotiation anyway*. So the only benefit to Scottish football is from the perspective of someone down south who thinks that Scottish football is Rangers and Celtic. 

 

 

 

* Though, oddly, in one of his many calamitous moves, Doncaster managed to re-negotiate the deal downwards when Rangers left the top league. 

[bennett]

Of course at the time Doncaster himself said we had to keep Rangers in SPL (then SFL1) to avoid TV and sponsors quitting.

 

Having spent a couple of months saying TV rights, naming rights and so on would be almost worthless - he predicted a few million for TV, IIRC - it must've been an interesting conversation.

 

Perhaps Sky-BT were perfectly happy with their 'juggled' deal - including Rangers matches in SFL, and 'rebate' for covering them.

 

It was only SPL/SFA officials who predicted sponsors and TV would flee. I don't recall anything - not even the Daily Record's famous "unnamed sources" - from the companies themselves.

You do know that Doncaster does what the SPL/spfl board wants, don't you?

You also know that they were close to losing the TV deal....

They actually had to pay sky money to make up for the compromises, great negotiating skills from Peter.

Chairmen from clubs including Aberdeen and Ross county have all said that things are a mess/not booming.

Rangers got promoted, deal with it.

Have a nice day.

[Tom Rogic]

You do know that Doncaster does what the SPL/spfl board wants, don't you?

You also know that they were close to losing the TV deal....

They actually had to pay sky money to make up for the compromises, great negotiating skills from Peter.

Chairmen from clubs including Aberdeen and Ross county have all said that things are a mess/not booming.

Rangers got promoted, deal with it.

Have a nice day.

1. Yes we do

2. No they werent

3. No they didnt

4. No they havent

5. We know. Good day to you as well

[bennett]

Magee saying that Stewart Milne and Roy MacGregor haven't lamented the poor state of the premiership, wow.

The rest of his post was pish too but that really stood out.

[TheScarf]

Magee saying that Stewart Milne and Roy MacGregor haven't lamented the poor state of the premiership, wow.

The rest of his post was pish too but that really stood out.

 

Worth noting that they are 2 sugar daddies.  Clearly seething they had to plough more of their personal wealth into their clubs to fuel their spending  The chairmen of clubs who live within their means were fine without Rangers.

[mylothedog]

Just as an aside...is the 10/2 veto still in place? The one where The Aberdeen chairman voted to keep it, then cried because it was used to his detriment? If so , then then we will all be looking forward to a future of two Glasgow clubs again dictating to the rest of the clubs again. 

[bennett]

Worth noting that they are 2 sugar daddies.  Clearly seething they had to plough more of their personal wealth into their clubs to fuel their spending  The chairmen of clubs who live within their means were fine without Rangers.

Motherwell, killie, celtic etc.... Have all recorded losses..

Stewart Gilmour has also been pretty vocal on the subject...

Not Armageddon but not as rosey as some would make out.

[Kneetrembler]

Worth noting that they are 2 sugar daddies. Clearly seething they had to plough more of their personal wealth into their clubs to fuel their spending The chairmen of clubs who live within their means were fine without Rangers.

Aberdeen made a profit of £500k last financial year. Please explain how in the world of fiery f**k are Aberdeen not living within their means?

[Dons_1988]

Magee saying that Stewart Milne and Roy MacGregor haven't lamented the poor state of the premiership, wow.

The rest of his post was pish too but that really stood out.

He did not lament the poor state of the league. He did however make a disappointing statement about having Rangers and hibs back in the league to maximise tv revenue.

It is and was very short termist and disappointing.

[Ross.]

Not read the whole thread so if my points have already been made, then they are worth repeating.

 

Cockwomble is a cockwomble.

 

Cockwomble was put in place by the clubs to act on behalf of the clubs. His views will not be his own, they will be the message the clubs want put out.

 

In 2 or 3 years time we will be told that Rangers being back in the top league and the resulting matches with Celtic saved Scottish football. They will probably use the statistics from the last few seasons, in terms of the number of clubs winning trophies, to justify their point of view, and will ignore anyone who questions their assertions and how hypocritical/much shite they are.

[Ross.]

Going to be some laugh if there's mass riots that "bring shame to the Scottish game" either at the OF this season or next. Scottish football obviously would only benefit from that...

 

To be fair, more people would want to watch the next one if it did kick off big time. They would definitely be able to sell it to a wider audience.

[williemillersmoustache]

You do know that Doncaster does what the SPL/spfl board wants, don't you?

You also know that they were close to losing the TV deal....

They actually had to pay sky money to make up for the compromises, great negotiating skills from Peter.

Chairmen from clubs including Aberdeen and Ross county have all said that things are a mess/not booming.

Rangers got promoted, deal with it.

Have a nice day.

 

You made this post on a similar vein in your quarantined section the other day:

 

What does Stewart milne know....

"Milne says top-flight clubs have suffered financially in Rangers’ absence, and he hopes Mark Warburton’s side and Hibs are promoted from the Championship."

But it's booming...

"What we have to do now is find ways of bringing more money back into the game.

Having Rangers and Hibs back at the top level again would help.â€

But we must have the right approach or else.....

“If Rangers come up with the right approach – and everyone allows them to put what happened in the past behind them – it would be good for the game"

 

The bit in bold isn't a quote, or at least not from Milne, it's from the text of an article. In fact it is this article: From the express   It's ok I'd never admit to having read the express either.

 

Nowhere does it quote Milne as saying things "are a mess / not booming" nor does he ever say "top-flight clubs have suffered financially in Rangers’ absence."

 

But you know this because I pointed it out at the time too.

 

What he does say is "Some of our top clubs not being in the top division for a substantial part of that period didn’t help."

 

Hope that clears up the confusion and if you're going to quote stuff up here in the big boy forum you could share the source, so we can tell if something is bollocks or not. Or as it's known in the BRALT a load of Bennets.

 

BTW Milne is an arsehole, and I'm not defending him, but he's our arsehole and you can dig up plenty of dirt on him without the need to make it up.

 

Thank you.

[mjw]

Bennett tells lies.

[Zen Archer (Raconteur)]

Bennett tells lies.

 

He also has fatty tights.

[MJC]

I find the seethefest that has ensued from 'Rangers' promotion highly amusing.

I genuinely think some folks heads will actually explode next season.

[bennett]

You made this post on a similar vein in your quarantined section the other day:

 

 

The bit in bold isn't a quote, or at least not from Milne, it's from the text of an article. In fact it is this article: From the express   It's ok I'd never admit to having read the express either.

 

Nowhere does it quote Milne as saying things "are a mess / not booming" nor does he ever say "top-flight clubs have suffered financially in Rangers’ absence."

 

But you know this because I pointed it out at the time too.

 

What he does say is "Some of our top clubs not being in the top division for a substantial part of that period didn’t help."

 

Hope that clears up the confusion and if you're going to quote stuff up here in the big boy forum you could share the source, so we can tell if something is bollocks or not. Or as it's known in the BRALT a load of Bennets.

 

BTW Milne is an arsehole, and I'm not defending him, but he's our arsehole and you can dig up plenty of dirt on him without the need to make it up.

 

Thank you.

The papers took it from an interview with stv

Your own chairman can admit the truth, get your head oot of the sand.

[williemillersmoustache]

The papers took it from an interview with stv

Your own chairman can admit the truth, get your head oot of the sand.

 

 

 

Which will be why the bits that are quotes are in quotes and the bits that aren't, aren't.  

[Monkey Tennis]

For all he's a bit of a clown he isnt being disrespectful or wrong by stating that The Rangers being in the top flight and having 3 or 4 games against Celtic will put them in a better bargaining position for negotiating deals with sponsors and TV companies*

Yes, but he didn't just say it would strengthen the bargaining position re commercial revenues. If he'd left it at that, it wouldn't be dishonest. However, he said it would be good for Scottish football. As shown by lots of evidence on the thread, that appears to be untrue.

It's his failure however, to recognise that the warnings uttered four years ago have been exposed as ridiculous, that means he needs waterboarded.

He and Regan lied and they bullied and it's been proven. Yet the b*****d stands by it.

The fact that plenty people at clubs, from Gilmour to Milne and others elsewhere have behaved badly, is no defence of Doncaster. A truly despicable individual.

[Ad Lib]

Motherwell, killie, celtic etc.... Have all recorded losses..

Stewart Gilmour has also been pretty vocal on the subject...

Not Armageddon but not as rosey as some would make out.

Several football clubs were losing money before Rangers were declared bankrupt and forced to create a Phoenix imitation. Hearts, Killie, Gretna, Dundee, Dunfermline, Livingston... oh yeah, and Rangers.

The plain fact is that people like Milne said that the fact that several of the larger teams were outside the top flight didn't help revenues or attendances, albeit that isn't even particularly strongly shown in the numbers. He was referring to the combination of Rangers, Hearts and Hibs not being in the top-flight, all three of whom will routinely bring strong crowds to Pittodrie.

As far as clubs like Thistle are concerned, we benefit absolutely f**k all from Rangers existing as a football club, and if anything their glory hunting spendthrift approach to football contaminates Glasgow with mindless hysteria that pulls fans away from watching the Jags even if they are the local team. The amount extra in revenue we get for you or Celtic coming to Firhill is off-set by the malaise you create in Scottish football that more generally keeps the fans away and the extortionate policing costs and hostile atmosphere you generate every time you come to our stadium.

If Ibrox went on fire I wouldn't piss on it.

[Tom Rogic]

Oh Bennett