Burnie_man Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Turning down entry to the Super League was the start of the demise a move that Whitburn never recovered from. They did recover from it, they subsequently spent 4 or 5 seasons in the Superleague, finishing third at least once. There were obviously other issues behind the scenes but the turning down of a Superleague place, whilst utterly stupid, didn't lead to where they are now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Heid Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 They did recover from it, they subsequently spent 4 or 5 seasons in the Superleague, finishing third at least once. There were obviously other issues behind the scenes but the turning down of a Superleague place, whilst utterly stupid, didn't lead to where they are now. Don't agree - when they eventually got into the Superleague they were a mere shadow of there former selves. If they had been there from the start the crowds would have remained and their profile would have been higher when signing players etc. When they arrived they were poorly supported and the calibre of players they were attracting just wasn't at the level required. They then found to their cost they weren't in a financial position to compete at the top and paid over the odds on average players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampden Diehard Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Pollok president always posts on Facebook after games at Newlandsfield about how many league 1 and 2 games Pollok had a bigger crowd than. It's generally more than half of them I attend Pollok quite regularly when the local "big team" (that's Queen's Park!) don't play and enjoy my days there. They are very well supported (but remember it's at £6 a throw, or £3 for auld timers - of which they have a large number), but all his willie-comparing can't hide that they were in quite a bit of financial trouble a few years ago, passing the hat round the fans. They were relegated a couple of years ago too. They lost the support of their self-running social club (now closed) after a stooshie and turned down big, big bucks to move their park about 200 yards to accommodate a supermarket. So, we won't take any "look how good we are in attracting fans" boasts from the Lok president. Running a club is more than that. Rant over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Heid Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Rubbish, not joining the super league had nothing to do with it, it was down to the committee listening to bad advice on paying all the players the minimum wage from one of the members that had a top post in the east region. There was still a decent fan base there and the level of players in the team was of a good standard. In fact 2 of them start each week for Lithgae Agree to disagree on that one. But suffice to say the problems go deep and were numerous - including issues with social club - I'm sure Linlithgow Rose fans supported a fundraiser did they not. With regards the min wage that is partially true as there was talk that players should be paid for 9 hours at least at min wage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sancho Panza Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 I would imagine gate money to be well below 50% of a clubs income, and in some cases probably less than 25% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Don't agree - when they eventually got into the Superleague they were a mere shadow of there former selves. If they had been there from the start the crowds would have remained and their profile would have been higher when signing players etc. When they arrived they were poorly supported and the calibre of players they were attracting just wasn't at the level required. They then found to their cost they weren't in a financial position to compete at the top and paid over the odds on average players. Far be it from me to defend Whitburn but that just doesn't stack up. The first season they played in Superleague (2005-2006), they finished 4th above you guys, following season they finished 3rd, the season after that they finished runners-up and well above Rose. 2008-09 they slipped to fourth a point behind Rose and it was the season after that they had a disaster and were relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul-r-cfc Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 I attend Pollok quite regularly when the local "big team" (that's Queen's Park!) don't play and enjoy my days there. They are very well supported (but remember it's at £6 a throw, or £3 for auld timers - of which they have a large number), but all his willie-comparing can't hide that they were in quite a bit of financial trouble a few years ago, passing the hat round the fans. They were relegated a couple of years ago too. They lost the support of their self-running social club (now closed) after a stooshie and turned down big, big bucks to move their park about 200 yards to accommodate a supermarket. So, we won't take any "look how good we are in attracting fans" boasts from the Lok president. Running a club is more than that. Rant over. Wasn't saying it rakes in big bucks was just stating a fact that they consistently out do these clubs in terms of interest. Obviously cost is the big factor but still As far as I know the social club hadn't made money in years as a million pubs in shawlands overtook it. The relegation can hardly be a consequence of serious financial issues as the amount paid to the likes of Barr and Diack that season was significant. Bad management and bad recruitment caused that as the immediate promotion testified. Clubs in real financial danger don't come back up after a season and certainly don't compete at the level Pollok are. Having an accountant as a President helps of course as you'd like to think they're not daft enough to get us in the position meadow are in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANKIEBILL Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 But accepting income from fans who are millionaires is wrong .... I'm merely trying to explain what he meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sancho Panza Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 How can accounts with such heavy debt be passed at the AGM each year, surely somebody must have objected to the gross overspending? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lang Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 How can accounts with such heavy debt be passed at the AGM each year, surely somebody must have objected to the gross overspending?obviously not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex-german exile Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 This post is going round in circles just like a few committees, how many times do you need to hear it, income must at least match expenditure in the junior game or for that matter any business,to believe anything else is the road to financial ruin. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Pollok have had their difficulties in recent years and I attend Pollok quite regularly when the local "big team" (that's Queen's Park!) don't play and enjoy my days there. They are very well supported (but remember it's at £6 a throw, or £3 for auld timers - of which they have a large number), but all his willie-comparing can't hide that they were in quite a bit of financial trouble a few years ago, passing the hat round the fans. They were relegated a couple of years ago too. They lost the support of their self-running social club (now closed) after a stooshie and turned down big, big bucks to move their park about 200 yards to accommodate a supermarket. So, we won't take any "look how good we are in attracting fans" boasts from the Lok president. Running a club is more than that. Rant over. The football club was latterly funding the social club - when I joined committee a decade earlier the SC was donating five figure sums on an annual basis. The reversal and as alluded to by my fellow Lok fan, competition elsewhere, meant its days were numbered as it was a financial albatross. You could go in there midweek of an evening and be on your own. It's sad not having the run of the place on matchday but there was no future for it. The move wasn't 200 yards, it was to the site of where Homebase is, just off Auldhouse Road. The club had concerns about vandalism from the scheme that was/is adjacent. Look at the problems Glencairn have had with neds coming over the fence. Despite the perception about old timers, when I was on gates the paying adult gate was always more than double the OAPs/weans gate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted March 11, 2016 Share Posted March 11, 2016 Despite the perception about old timers, when I was on gates the paying adult gate was always more than double the OAPs/weans gate. Aye, but they're all OAP's now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larky55 Posted March 13, 2016 Share Posted March 13, 2016 Will Medda be sharing a pitch with Talbot next Saturday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talbot Bing Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Will Medda be sharing a pitch with Talbot next Saturday?I hope so but hearing from more than one source they may be out of business by the end of the week. :-/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANKIEBILL Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Meadow 2016 ? Anyway I have no knowledge of the situation so just wish the folk there well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Stuart. Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 I hope so but hearing from more than one source they may be out of business by the end of the week. :-/ absolute tripe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Stuart. Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Players reported for training last night so nothing to worry about, whoever you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmonthelie Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Yes but players can walk away anytime as most not getting any ££££. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Stuart. Posted March 15, 2016 Share Posted March 15, 2016 Yes but players can walk away anytime as most not getting any ££££. they are getting paid though 😕 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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