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EU in/out Referendum - 23 June 2016


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In for me as I like german porn. The tsunami of seathe would be glorious if it is close and scots welsh and bunfields push to stay over the line. If its to leave it will be a laugh watching all the costa del sol pensioners getting booted out.

ace haha, they c***s get to vote tho and they will vote to stay in

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I'm not too sure why there seems to be some in Scotland who think voting to stay but being forced to leave through the demand of a much larger English electorate = bad, whilst staying but having our terms of membership renegotiated by a Tory PM, under considerable pressure from his own party and with no credible mandate in Scotland = acceptable. Neither is a terribly fair set of circumstances for Scotland, and we have to make an alternative, (especially) pro-immigration argument that just isn't anywhere to be seen on the wider UK debate.

Whether part of the UK or not Scotland should be claiming for its own representation on the EU, the case for that has never been stronger.

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I'm not too sure why there seems to be some in Scotland who think voting to stay but being forced to leave through the demand of a much larger English electorate = bad, whilst staying but having our terms of membership renegotiated by a Tory PM, under considerable pressure from his own party and with no credible mandate in Scotland = acceptable. Neither is a terribly fair set of circumstances for Scotland, and we have to make an alternative, (especially) pro-immigration argument that just isn't anywhere to be seen on the wider UK debate.

Whether part of the UK or not Scotland should be claiming for its own representation on the EU, the case for that has never been stronger.

Maybe some people don't think in terms of 'Scotland' and 'England'. If the vote goes the other way to how I have voted, then i couldn't give a shite how the constituent parts of the UK have voted.
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I'm not too sure why there seems to be some in Scotland who think voting to stay but being forced to leave through the demand of a much larger English electorate = bad, whilst staying but having our terms of membership renegotiated by a Tory PM, under considerable pressure from his own party and with no credible mandate in Scotland = acceptable. Neither is a terribly fair set of circumstances for Scotland, and we have to make an alternative, (especially) pro-immigration argument that just isn't anywhere to be seen on the wider UK debate.

Whether part of the UK or not Scotland should be claiming for its own representation on the EU, the case for that has never been stronger.

You really need to get over the result of the Indy ref. It's clearly clouding your judgement on everything.

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Maybe some people don't think in terms of 'Scotland' and 'England'.

I must have missed when 'British only' became the dominant national identity in any constituent part of the United Kingdom. Or not even that, why people even bothered campaigning for a devolved parliament nearly 20 years ago. Absolutely no one's buying the 'well why doesn't Yorkshire or Cornwall become independent?' type 'argument'.

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You really need to get over the result of the Indy ref. It's clearly clouding your judgement on everything.

At no point did I refer to the Independence referendum in my post. I even raised the point that Scotland could be part of the UK, and campaign for independent recognition in Europe.

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I'm not too sure why there seems to be some in Scotland who think voting to stay but being forced to leave through the demand of a much larger English electorate = bad, whilst staying but having our terms of membership renegotiated by a Tory PM, under considerable pressure from his own party and with no credible mandate in Scotland = acceptable. Neither is a terribly fair set of circumstances for Scotland, and we have to make an alternative, (especially) pro-immigration argument that just isn't anywhere to be seen on the wider UK debate.

Whether part of the UK or not Scotland should be claiming for its own representation on the EU, the case for that has never been stronger.

Good post.

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I must have missed when 'British only' became the dominant national identity in any constituent part of the United Kingdom. Or not even that, why people even bothered campaigning for a devolved parliament nearly 20 years ago. Absolutely no one's buying the 'well why doesn't Yorkshire or Cornwall become independent?' type 'argument'.

I'm not thinking 'British only' about anything. I'm thinking in terms of what we have and whether the decision we make (everyone who has a vote) effects us (everyone who has a vote) in a good or a bad way. Nationalism, regionalism or whatever, isn't even coming into it.
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At no point did I refer to the Independence referendum in my post. I even raised the point that Scotland could be part of the UK, and campaign for independent recognition in Europe.

Yeah but it's reeking of it.

We will vote on this as the UK so why should it matter how the vote is split ?

We had the chance to leave the UK and become part of the EU as Scotland and voted overwhelmingly against it. Furthermore we knew at that point that an EU referendum was likely and still chose to remain within the UK. That means for things like this we are voting as part of the UK, not Scotland. Why can't you accept that?

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In. I would rather be in the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in.

Besides, Fromage and Galloway are sharing stages for the leave brigade, there's no way I'm going to be on their side. I'm also going to troll the shit out of any vote to leave stall I see.....

This. I have to do some work deep daan saaath over the next few months and hope to take in some heads gone street racism/campaigning.

In. We need to be looking for stronger ties with Europe and weaker ones with Westminster. That our government spent this summit demanding selfish minutiae to appease infighting in their party and to paint the stretch on resources as the fault of "BLOODY FOREIGNERS, coming over here...." while the biggest refugee crisis since WWII unfolds shames us and disgraces Cameron and his Eton cronies.

In, innity in in in.

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