Thundermonkey Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 I think the result would be different but it would be a political gamble to vote against what you believe in because of political expediency. If it turns out to be a Leave vote and Scotland votes Remain then that's the point to talk about tactics not before. Aye, I fucked the point I was making at the start but you have picked up on what I was trying to express. I can't think there would be too many who want to stay in the EU but who will vote leave to force an Indyref. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shades75 Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Kinda weird how we're supposed to believe that Turkey will get in the EU and yet Scotland wouldn't have. Kinda weird that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enigma Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Just like the Yes campaign didn't disappear after the Scottish referendum the Leave campaigners won't disappear either. But the anti-EU crowd have been around for years and it's take them until now to get a referendum. Incidentally I don't think we'll see another Scottish referendum for a good while yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Baroness Warsi has switched sides. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/eu-referendum-baroness-sayeeda-warsi-defects-from-leave-to-remain-a7090741.html Bizarre really - she may not have liked the tone of the campaign but if she believe leaving the EU is the best thing for Britain, why not vote Leave while at the same time criticising the campaign? Maybe she's decided that staying in the EU is a price worth paying for keeping these cynical lying hate mongers out of power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 That's why I find Granny's position to be ludicrous. Does he genuinely believe it would be better out? Or is he naively supporting Leave as a purely tactical decision? If it's the former I think it's delusional. If it's the latter I think it's political idiocy - if enough did as Granny you'd have a Leave majority in both the UK and Scotland - with any chance of independence killed stone dead. Vote for what you believe in not what you think is politically expedient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkyblue2 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 You mean by threatening to chuck us out of the EU if we don't? I find that unlikely scenario scary but I don't see why you would We would accept the Euro if they threatened to chuck us out. Nobody knows what's in store for us if we vote to stay in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 We would accept the Euro if they threatened to chuck us out. Nobody knows what's in store for us if we vote to stay in. It would require a treaty change to force us to adopt the Euro which we could simply veto, so it's not going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 We would accept the Euro if they threatened to chuck us out. Nobody knows what's in store for us if we vote to stay in. Such an ultimatum would be playing into the hands of your side rather than mine. It's proving difficult enough to quell the fires of English Nationalism as it stands. Handing them the slogan "Control our Borders and keep the pound" would surely tip things over the edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkyblue2 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Such an ultimatum would be playing into the hands of your side rather than mine. It's proving difficult enough to quell the fires of English Nationalism as it stands. Handing them the slogan "Control our Borders and keep the pound" would surely tip things over the edge. It's not going to happen before the referendum they are not that stupid. Someone asked me for specific examples of what the EU will bring in and of course I don't know but neither do any of you. What will the EU look like in 5 years time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 It's not going to happen before the referendum they are not that stupid. Someone asked me for specific examples of what the EU will bring in and of course I don't know but neither do any of you. What will the EU look like in 5 years time? I meant it would force another referendum, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkyblue2 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 I meant it would force another referendum, This referendum will be the last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 This referendum will be the last. Hopefully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Utter cringe from the Daily Record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 1466420213741.jpg Utter cringe from the Daily Record. From the paper that published the vow - not surprising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 1466420213741.jpg Utter cringe from the Daily Record. That's it. I'm voting Out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Kinda weird how we're supposed to believe that Turkey will get in the EU and yet Scotland wouldn't have. Kinda weird that. The EU is an evil expansionist empire when it suits Brexiteers, but a curiously picky and coy little bitch when it doesn't. I wonder if we'd see a poster with lines of kilted Jocks crowding the road to England in a future indyref campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Betfair market showing 78% chance for Remain, big change from a few days ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyerTon Posted June 20, 2016 Author Share Posted June 20, 2016 FT poll of polls now 44% v 44% https://ig.ft.com/sites/brexit-polling/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyerTon Posted June 20, 2016 Author Share Posted June 20, 2016 Betfair market showing 78% chance for Remain, big change from a few days ago. Public seem to be reacting to the tragic events of last Thursday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 It's not going to happen before the referendum they are not that stupid. Someone asked me for specific examples of what the EU will bring in and of course I don't know but neither do any of you. What will the EU look like in 5 years time? With most of the Brexit arguments proven to be paranoid nonsense or blatant lies, the argument is switching to "Well it might not be that bad at the moment but what might it be like in the future?" Nobody knows but if we don't like any major changes we can't veto we could pull out then. Bit daft to do it now to avoid something that may never happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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