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31 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

Aye anybody who doubts they have blood on their hands either doesn't have experience with the DWP or is at it.

Indeed. Although I'd place them just below nurses who go to work for ATOS Healthcare on utter cretin scale. 

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10 hours ago, Father Ted said:

I'm not aware if anyone has pointed this out. 

I worked in construction for first 15 years of my career, and by its nature I had small periods of unemployment.

In 1995, you applied for jobseekers at your local jobcentre and they processed your claim there and it took a week.

In 2005, you had appointment at local jobcentre, who then sent your claim to someone unknown office in Coatbridge and it took 5-6 weeks ( i was aware of claims running to 8 weeks)and if you had to contact office at Coatbridge, it was as difficult as they could make it, as no one took responsibility and was almost impossible to speed claim up.

Now considering the advancements in technology,; internet, email, etc. It should take less time to process, yet it didn't it was at least five times as long.

Reason given after some investigation , they have very few people processing claims, apparently.

To conclude, DWP know exactly what they are doing and they intentionally slow process down. 

Treating people unfortunate enough to lose their job largely through no fault of their own, as subhuman is a disgrace and making them intentionally wait that long on payment further compounds any financial issues they may have.

DWP are scum and anyone that works for them should be ashamed of themselves.

They say you can tell how well a country is run by how it treats its less fortunate. On that front Britain is an absolute disgrace 

The first time I was on the dole* my former employer held on to my P45 and I waited a good while for my claim to be processed, but at least it was dealt with locally and I was able to talk to someone.

Subsequent spells of unemployment were dealt with fairly quickly but still took at least a fortnight.

I imagine a lot of people are still paid weekly and many literally live week to week, so 5 - 8 weeks with no income is horrendous

* 1986

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On 27/01/2022 at 16:40, Jacksgranda said:

That is ridiculous. Even a fortnight is too long when you've no money coming in.

I suppose everybody is expected to live off the interest off their trust funds...

The reasoning at the time was that people on benefits should be paid in arrears similar to the working people who have monthly incomes.

What they didn't tell you is that unlike working people, the first six weeks (as it was when introduced) was not accruing any benefits and therefore when you weren't due anything for the 6 weeks at the start of your claim when you came off UC.

It is an absolute scandal that UC has any period where someone has no money to live on, especially when they have "qualified" for UC through lack of income.

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On 27/01/2022 at 12:50, Billy Jean King said:

The DWP merely administers the schemes per the regulations laid by government.

Right enough, they're only obeying orders.

On 27/01/2022 at 23:18, tamthebam said:

Cherry, Swinson, Rowling... You might be onto something there...

Been a while since I've seen Jo Swinson referred to as a "powerful woman".

Even then, it was by herself.

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Been a while since I've seen Jo Swinson referred to as a "powerful woman".
Even then, it was by herself.
I was responding specifically about the 5 week wait. That isn't DWP dragging heels, that's the legislation as it stands. I deal with the DWP ICT systems on a daily basis and they are a total joke, I'm in no way going to stand here and defend them but on that particular point I was responding too (the delay between UC applications and payment) that's not down to DWP dithering, it's how the system is intended to work which as folk are rightly stating is a disgrace.
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24 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

I was responding specifically about the 5 week wait. That isn't DWP dragging heels, that's the legislation as it stands. I deal with the DWP ICT systems on a daily basis and they are a total joke, I'm in no way going to stand here and defend them but on that particular point I was responding too (the delay between UC applications and payment) that's not down to DWP dithering, it's how the system is intended to work which as folk are rightly stating is a disgrace.

I know, I was just enjoying a deeply petty attempt at equating the DWP with the Nazis  :P

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I know, I was just enjoying a deeply petty attempt at equating the DWP with the Nazis  

If I’m two pints deep or just off dealing with them I’d happily agree. All the defences are the same.
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4 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

If I’m two pints deep or just off dealing with them I’d happily agree. All the defences are the same.

One of our more amusing right-wing posters used to posit that, if enough workers are willing to administer the government's sickening procedures, then it's all perfectly fine as The People have spoken on the issue.

Don't remember anyone bringing up the Nuremberg Trials at the time, but I rather wish they had.

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In an answer to Caroline Lucas (questioning why the industry is paying no tax at the moment, indeed receiving tax breaks for decommissioning)at Treasury questions, the financial secretary to the Treasury stated that oil and gas tax receipts, have to date exceeded £375bn.
Oh to have an oil fund.


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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/feb/01/department-of-health-writes-off-9bn-spent-in-uk-covid-ppe-drive

£9 billion written off on defective / overpriced PPE.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/24/minister-resigns-in-protest-at-handling-of-fraudulent-covid-loans

£4.3 billion lost due to lack of oversight on furlough payments.

https://www.ft.com/content/281c9847-f76b-4def-a908-03b3d664feb3

£4.2 billion lost on sell-off of military housing.

 

So there we have it, in the last week the govt. announces £17.5 billion of public money lost to the Exchequer due to a possible mixture of incompetence / corruption / ideology.

No wonder this country is in the f*cking toilet.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Florentine_Pogen said:

£4.2 billion lost on sell-off of military housing.

That bit was down to Tobermory train man Michael Portillo.

P.S. Bit about the man who ended up owning it.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2010/feb/05/emi-citigroup-private-equity-terra-firma

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15 hours ago, Florentine_Pogen said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/feb/01/department-of-health-writes-off-9bn-spent-in-uk-covid-ppe-drive

£9 billion written off on defective / overpriced PPE.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/24/minister-resigns-in-protest-at-handling-of-fraudulent-covid-loans

£4.3 billion lost due to lack of oversight on furlough payments.

https://www.ft.com/content/281c9847-f76b-4def-a908-03b3d664feb3

£4.2 billion lost on sell-off of military housing.

 

So there we have it, in the last week the govt. announces £17.5 billion of public money lost to the Exchequer due to a possible mixture of incompetence / corruption / ideology.

No wonder this country is in the f*cking toilet.

 

 

Taxpayers Alliance seem to be awfully quiet on this. Odd that.

However suggest giving ordinary public sector workers a pay rise to match the cost of living and...

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I know we are used to politicians having an interesting relationship with facts, but earlier on there was a Tory MP on 5Live claiming that even before BoJo mentioned it in the Commons earlier this week, the main focus of the people in her constituency was Starmer not prosecuting Jimmy Savile. 

Wow. 

I can't recall her name, but presumably she is the Honourable Member for Pluto North East. 

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18 minutes ago, Salt n Vinegar said:

I know we are used to politicians having an interesting relationship with facts, but earlier on there was a Tory MP on 5Live claiming that even before BoJo mentioned it in the Commons earlier this week, the main focus of the people in her constituency was Starmer not prosecuting Jimmy Savile. 

Wow. 

I can't recall her name, but presumably she is the Honourable Member for Pluto North East. 

It's something that virtually nobody outwith very online QAnon types had the slightest clue about until Johnson's zinger on Monday.

Starmer did a lot of shady shit in his previous jobs that deserves to be called out, but trying to pin the Savile stuff on him is laughably desperate, even by Johnson's standards.

edit -  it appears the Grimsby MP has long history of being wired to the moon.

 

 

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24 minutes ago, Salt n Vinegar said:

I know we are used to politicians having an interesting relationship with facts, but earlier on there was a Tory MP on 5Live claiming that even before BoJo mentioned it in the Commons earlier this week, the main focus of the people in her constituency was Starmer not prosecuting Jimmy Savile. 

Wow. 

I can't recall her name, but presumably she is the Honourable Member for Pluto North East. 

Could this have anything to do with it?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/feb/01/tory-mps-cheered-by-hopes-of-lynton-crosby-return

 

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2 hours ago, tamthebam said:

Taxpayers Alliance seem to be awfully quiet on this. Odd that.

However suggest giving ordinary public sector workers a pay rise to match the cost of living and...

The cost of living is only going to get worse over the next few years. You only have to see how a lot of phone/mobile/internet suppliers now say that the contract cost will increase every year by CPI + 3.9%, so it's obvious that businesses are going to screw all of us with huge above inflation price rises in the coming years. The knock on effect of these type of price rises could have a big impact on inflation, but it would appear that nobody in power really gives a toss though.

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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/02/johnsons-brexit-freedoms-bill-wont-set-us-free-but-it-will-reward-his-supporters?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

"While the Conservatives attack public protections, genuine red tape – that is, pointless form-filling and officialdom – has boomed. A central feature of the neoliberal revolution that brought Boris Johnson to power is a proliferation of corporate and governmental bureaucracy: new barriers to obtaining public services, an impenetrable thicket of train franchises and test-and-trace companies, the life-consuming nightmare afflicting people stuck in unsellable flats clad in flammable materials, the paperwork in which importers and exporters are now drowning, the endless queues at Dover. As a paper in the journal Safety Science shows, deregulation causes chaos, and chaos causes bureaucratic overload. Far from liberating the nation from red tape, government assaults on public protection tie us up in knots."

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