Jdog Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 42 minutes ago, cyderspaceman said: I'll admit to being confused. Are Jews a race or a religious grouping? Or something else, a tribe, an ethnicity, a culture? All of the above... according to Zionists. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdog Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Laura Kuenssberg article on BBC News; Describes Margaret Hodge's 'deeply held upset and fury' & believes she was 'driven' to speak out... BBC News is SUPPOSED TO BE strictly impartial...this is NOT impartiality, this is a subjective, unverifiable opinion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Genuine question. Are all Jews entitled to Israeli citizenship if they denounce citizenship from birth country? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 It’s worth noting that not all Jewish groups are treated equally by Israel either. Ethiopian Jews for example are treated abysmally by the Israeli state. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 2 hours ago, cyderspaceman said: I'll admit to being confused. Are Jews a race or a religious grouping? Or something else, a tribe, an ethnicity, a culture? I wouldn't fall into the right wing trap that you're not a racist if you only hate Jews, Muslims or whatever. Grouping people together on the basis of what they were born into, be it genetic, cultural or anything else, and encouraging hatred against them individually and collectively, is racism, pure and simple, and really stupid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 24, 2018 Author Share Posted July 24, 2018 5 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I wouldn't fall into the right wing trap that you're not a racist if you only hate Jews, Muslims or whatever. Grouping people together on the basis of what they were born into, be it genetic, cultural or anything else, and encouraging hatred against them individually and collectively, is racism, pure and simple, and really stupid. So if I don’t like Christians then I’m racist? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Granny Danger said: So if I don’t like Christians then I’m racist? Well you're certainly stupid if you write them all off from birth, or christening. And if you continue hating them collectively and individually as grown ups until they die because of that then you are. It saves time from inventing another word for every bit of ignorant bigotry. "It's not racist to hate Mexicans, they're not a race.", was a phrase I heard recently. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 24, 2018 Author Share Posted July 24, 2018 8 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Well you're certainly stupid if you write them all off from birth, or christening. And if you continue hating them collectively and individually as grown ups until they die because of that then you are. It saves time from inventing another word for every bit of ignorant bigotry. "It's not racist to hate Mexicans, they're not a race.", was a phrase I heard recently. So no in other words. Your use of the word stupid in your last two posts seems a bit ironic. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Just now, Granny Danger said: So no in other words. Your use of the word stupid in your last two posts seems a bit ironic. If you haven't the imagination to see that not all Christians deserve your dislike, then you are really thick imo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 24, 2018 Author Share Posted July 24, 2018 1 minute ago, welshbairn said: If you haven't the imagination to see that not all Christians deserve your dislike, then you are really thick imo. Is dislike of Christians racist? That is what you said. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Just now, Granny Danger said: Is dislike of Christians racist? That is what you said. You're using the argument of the alt right, nobody is a racist because there's no such thing as a race. Jews aren't a race, Mexicans aren't, Christians aren't. Blacks aren't because they come from lots of races, as do Muslims. Hitler wasn't a racist. They want to throw the word away so the KKK are on par with the Humanists. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdog Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 (edited) 52 minutes ago, NotThePars said: It’s worth noting that not all Jewish groups are treated equally by Israel either. Ethiopian Jews for example are treated abysmally by the Israeli state. They're they wrong shade of Jewish for Israel, that's why they secretly sterilised them. Edited July 24, 2018 by Jdog 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 24, 2018 Author Share Posted July 24, 2018 Just now, welshbairn said: You're using the argument of the alt right, nobody is a racist because there's no such thing as a race. Jews aren't a race, Mexicans aren't, Christians aren't. Blacks aren't because they come from lots of races, as do Muslims. Hitler wasn't a racist. They want to throw the word away so the KKK are on par with the Humanists. So because I pointed out that your comment was daft, and obviously so, you lump me in with the alt right. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: So because I pointed out that your comment was daft, and obviously so, you lump me in with the alt right. No, but you're going along with their argument that it's not racist to express hatred for Jews, Muslims and or Mexicans. Or anyone. Edited July 24, 2018 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 You're using the argument of the alt right, nobody is a racist because there's no such thing as a race. Jews aren't a race, Mexicans aren't, Christians aren't. Blacks aren't because they come from lots of races, as do Muslims. Hitler wasn't a racist. They want to throw the word away so the KKK are on par with the Humanists. WB. I had the same argument with you last week on the Trump thread and you contradicted what you said above 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: 27 minutes ago, welshbairn said: You're using the argument of the alt right, nobody is a racist because there's no such thing as a race. Jews aren't a race, Mexicans aren't, Christians aren't. Blacks aren't because they come from lots of races, as do Muslims. Hitler wasn't a racist. They want to throw the word away so the KKK are on par with the Humanists. WB. I had the same argument with you last week on the Trump thread and you contradicted what you said above No, I was describing the right wing argument that nobody is a racist. Maybe we need a new word. Fuckwittist. Edited July 24, 2018 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 No, I was describing the right wing argument that nobody is a racist. You don't think it's racist to say that most Mexican immigrants are thieves and rapists? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 1 minute ago, John Lambies Doos said: To which you replied that Mexicans aren't a race so Trump wasn't being racist. This is hard work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 To which you replied that Mexicans aren't a race so Trump wasn't being racist. This is hard work.No it's not. I was arguing that Trump putting a wall on Mexico border was wrong but not racist, you implied that I should think it is. You are now quite correctly arguing with GD that Mexicans are not a race hence in contradiction to your thought process last week. Not so sure what's hard about that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 I give up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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