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15 minutes ago, bob the tank said:

Where did they get nerve agent 5 miles from where they make it? Why use a technique associated with Russia instead of a simple car crash or fire or Kelly/ McCrae style suicide. It's a smear by our glorious leaders to deflect from some other shite they are obviously up to. I rest my case m' lud.

Also what is the value to Russia of killing this guy thus violating our sovereignty in a way which would give away it was them years after they released him in a trade.

There was a great interview on RT stating all this today.  It's very suspicious.

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You could equally suggest that the Russians chose to knock off this particular target with such a blatant method to muddy the waters and encourage conspiracy theories, with Porton Down being just down the road. I don't see what difference it would make if it was 400 miles away.



Yes you could put forward these theories, but to my mind the blame Russia thing was too quick and too easy. Not slagging you, but you seem very tolerant and forgiving of the the bbc and the duplicitous shits in Westminster

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4 minutes ago, NewBornBairn said:

On RT you say? Well that's me convinced.

Yet you'll believe every word the British RT tells you.

And actually it was a Scottish academic they were interviewing.

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2 minutes ago, bob the tank said:

 

 


Yes you could put forward these theories, but to my mind the blame Russia thing was too quick and too easy. Not slagging you, but you seem very tolerant and forgiving of the the bbc and the duplicitous shits in Westminster

 

 

Why would MI5 knock off someone with a nerve agent 5 miles from Porton Down if they wanted to blame the Russians? And what would they gain? Making Putin more popular at home for killing a traitor with an election coming up? 

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1 minute ago, welshbairn said:

Why would MI5 knock off someone with a nerve agent 5 miles from Porton Down if they wanted to blame the Russians? And what would they gain? Making Putin more popular at home for killing a traitor with an election coming up? 

Why?  Cause he's accessible, who else are they going to knock off?  You wouldn't choose someone in Russia that's much more difficult.

What they gain is the British government have clearly been building a case for war with Russia for at least five years.  This adds to that.

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6 minutes ago, Peppino Impastato said:

Yet you'll believe every word the British RT tells you.

And actually it was a Scottish academic they were interviewing.

 

You've just made a massive assumption - you know absolutely nothing about me or what media I access.

What is widely known and accepted is RT is a propaganda tool of the Russian State. I couldn't give a tinker's cuss if they were interviewing Skippy the Bush Kangaroo, they produce disinformation swallowed by fellow travellers, conspiracy theorists  or the just plain gullible. Which are you?

 

Edit - I just saw your post "the British government have clearly been building a case for war with Russia for at least five years". Conspiracy theorist it is then. 

Edited by NewBornBairn

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1 minute ago, NewBornBairn said:

 

You've just made a massive assumption - you know absolutely nothing about me or what media I access.

What is widely known and accepted is RT is a propaganda tool of the Russian State. I couldn't give a tinker's cuss if they were interviewing Skippy the Bush Kangaroo, they produce disinformation swallowed by fellow travellers, conspiracy theorists  or the just plain gullible. Which are you?

 

Edit - I just saw your post "the British government have clearly been building a case for war with Russia for at least five years". Conspiracy theorist it is then. 

It's also widely known and accepted the BBC is a propaganda tool of the British state.  Except by the gullible like you.

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1 minute ago, Peppino Impastato said:

Why?  Cause he's accessible, who else are they going to knock off?  You wouldn't choose someone in Russia that's much more difficult.

What they gain is the British government have clearly been building a case for war with Russia for at least five years.  This adds to that.

You do know Russia have about a thousand* times as many nukes as us? Do you really think anyone in Britain wants a war with Russia?

*a lot more anyway.

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Britain going to war with Russia ffs.
We're sending fishing vessels to intercept their ships and our aircraft carriers are just carriers at the moment.

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Wee message from Russia.

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Kleymenov, the presenter for Channel One’s Vremya news programme, delivered a stark message on Wednesday to anyone caught spying for the UK. “I sympathise with any suffering and certainly do not rejoice in it; what’s more, I don’t wish death on anyone,” he said.

“But purely for educational purposes, for those who dream about such a career, I’d like to issue a caution. The profession of traitor is a lot more dangerous than that of a drug courier. It’s very rare that those who choose it live out their days in peace and serenity. Alcoholism and drug addiction, stress, grave nervous disorders and depression are the inevitable professional illnesses of the traitor. And as a consequence, heart attacks, strokes, car accidents and suicide, after all.”

In language that seemed designed to sound like a threat, Kleymenov, 45, added that it was especially unwise to flee to London. “Whatever the reasons, whether you’re a professional traitor to the motherland or you just hate your country in your free time, I repeat, no matter, don’t go to England,” he said. “Something is not right there. Maybe the climate. But in recent years there have been too many strange incidents with a harsh outcome. People get hanged, poisoned, they die in helicopter crashes and fall out of windows in industrial quantities.”

It is thought that Mr Kleymenov was referring to the deaths of Russian oligarchs who had sought sanctuary in England and their British friends. Boris Berezovsky was found hanged at his home in March 2013 and Alexander Litvinenko, a former officer of the FSB secret service, was killed with polonium-210 in November 2006.

Stephen Curtis, a tax lawyer who was an associate of the exiled Russian billionaire Mikhail Khodorkovsky, died when his plane crashed in mysterious circumstances in 2004 and Scot Young, an associate of Mr Curtis, fell to his death from his London penthouse in 2014. Johnny Elichaoff, another associate of the two men, died after falling from the roof of Whiteleys shopping centre in west London in 2014.

Yury Filatov, the Russian ambassador to Ireland, said the Skripal case showed that Britain could not protect people harboured in its lands, but added there was no evidence of Russian involvement. He told the BBC: “My own conclusion would be that for some reason the British territories are very dangerous for certain types of people.”

 

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13 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

You do know Russia have about a thousand* times as many nukes as us? Do you really think anyone in Britain wants a war with Russia?

*a lot more anyway.

Yeah I don't think there's any doubt about that.  

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7 minutes ago, mjw said:

Britain going to war with Russia ffs.
We're sending fishing vessels to intercept their ships and our aircraft carriers are just carriers at the moment.

We're part of NATO champ.

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You do know Russia have about a thousand* times as many nukes as us? Do you really think anyone in Britain wants a war with Russia?
*a lot more anyway.


I looked it up and “33 times as many” would seem to be a reasonable approximation

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We're part of NATO champ.

We were part of NATO the last time they poisoned a spy. How did that war go?
Champ.

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As I recall, Napoleon didn't have much luck going to war with Russia and neither did Hitler.

Oh well, maybe we can try our luck and distract attention away from our clumsy Brexit negotiations.

Nobody will suspect a thing.

Oh and if Spain gets awkward about Gibraltar, we will go to war with them as well.

That should liven things up.

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2 minutes ago, mjw said:


We were part of NATO the last time they poisoned a spy. How did that war go?
Champ.

It's not happened yet champ.  Such a simple mind.  That's part of the same process most likely.

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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/russia-wants-cause-thousands-thousands-11916740

 

It's rhetoric like this that should worry anyone.  This is obviously complete and utter horseshit.  It's the British defence secretary clearly lying through his teeth to make people scared of big bad Russia. 

Only an idiot would believe pish like this,  but unfortunately most people are idiots (brexit, no, Tory government) 

Why are they doing this sort of stuff?  They're building a case to attack Russia and present it to us as a defensive war. Same with the'interfering' in the US election stuff, it's all connected.

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The guy was a double/triple agent so a shady chunt, probably made enemies on both sides.  Seems a bit o a botched job to boot. The media coverage and the response has been overkill, trying to make it a bigger story than it really should be. Flexing the Empires puny muscles. Probably the ghost of the MI6 escapolagist that padlocked himself in a holdall did it.

Edited by dirty dingus

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14 minutes ago, Peppino Impastato said:

Why are they doing this sort of stuff?  They're building a case to attack Russia and present it to us as a defensive war. Same with the'interfering' in the US election stuff, it's all connected.

There will never be a hot war with Russia. There are far too many oligarchical and economic links between them - neither side wants that and they know it.

What is happening is the buildup to Cold War II - which was potentially already begun.

Big bad foreign boogeyman with advanced military technology is great news for arms dealers.

Also allows them to declare any non-establishment political movement as Russian subversion. That's why we hear far more about Russian twitter bots, which were dwarfed in scale by bots controlled by prominent Hillary supporters, and a lot less about the genuine mutual connections between Trump and Putin.

Edited by Forest of Dean

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