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Watching the Parliament channel, and the urgent question on the calamity that is the Ajax armoured vehicle procurement.
I await the usual suspects who keep bringing up ferries,making a comment on this £5bn. cock up.

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7 hours ago, jakedee said:

Watching the Parliament channel, and the urgent question on the calamity that is the Ajax armoured vehicle procurement.
I await the usual suspects who keep bringing up ferries,making a comment on this £5bn. cock up.

The best bit being the Ajax capability is so central to what the Army wants to do that it falls into the too big to fail pile. Expect several more billion expended to pish it over the finish line.

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Why does the British military always go down this route of developing something rubbish and expensive instead of just buying something off America?
So we can build and sell more to flog to [insert shithole country here] to recoup the development cost.
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1 hour ago, Pato said:

Why does the British military always go down this route of developing something rubbish and expensive instead of just buying something off America?

Well, we do that too. Ajax is designed as the armoured reconnaissance platform for the Army. Basically the future concept is for them to act as networked sensor nodes dispersed over wide areas providing information to allow HQs to task long ranged weapons on targets: Any sensor, any effector goes the glib phrase (effector is jargon for big boom thing to me and you)

Typically MoD overspend falls into two categories. 

Gold plating and specification creep.

Gold plating is when we develop something that genuinely is world beating, but this means we typically don't buy large numbers of them, driving up unit cost which also kills any export potential. Examples of this would be something like the SAMPSON Radar system on the type 45 destroyers or the Brimstone missile system.

Specification creep is the real killer, when the project morphs over a long time frame and forces re-designs and multiple prototypes. The project to deliver Ajax started off as something else way back before the Iraq war, for example.

There is now also a third category that has impacted this project since the 2010 SDR: Anyone but BAE. 

The debacle over the last Nimrod iteration led government ministers to push for greater competition for projects, fearing that BAE was under no pressure to deliver projects on time or budget. So when it offered the established CV90 platform for what would become Ajax, they never really stood a chance. Instead the work went to General Dynamics who agreed to set up a factory in Wales using a Hull form from a Spanish subsidiary that had itself no real track record of success.

Ajax is a pretty lethal combination of all three vices.

Gold plating the systems: Ajax is designed to give best in market sensors and an all new digital architecture capable of feeding a tonne or real-time data to higher HQs. At the same time they insisted on higher levels of protection and best in class lethality driven by a fairly revolutionary cannon design which took years to get right.

Spec. Creep: this whole thing started off as a fairly basic replacement for the aging Scimitar platform back before the Iraq war. Budget was eaten up by those conflicts leading to an ever longer project time frame and constantly changing minds on what capability was needed. This isn't limited to the UK- the US had already cancelled two projects designed to replace the Bradley fighting vehicle.

Anyone but BAE: so instead of developing revolutionary systems and putting them on an established platform with an existing supply chain, they elected to get a company who'd never done this kind of vehicle on this kind of scale using some fairly sub standard contractors as well.

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Why does the British military always go down this route of developing something rubbish and expensive instead of just buying something off America?


It’s not like America doesn’t develop a load of white elephants anaw. Suppose it’s the same in every other sector where the government flings a ton of money at their pals for shite that doesn’t work but enriches the right folk.
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12 hours ago, Baxter Parp said:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/changes-to-constituency-boundaries-predicted-to-give-tories-majority-of-100-mt2hr2f22

Changes to constituency boundaries predicted to give Tories majority of 100

Yoons: "This is fine".

Unless they are deliberately gerrymandering the boundaries I don’t think there can be any objections.  The real issue is the inherently undemocratic nature of FPTP not the redrawing of boundaries.

 

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1 hour ago, Granny Danger said:

Unless they are deliberately gerrymandering the boundaries I don’t think there can be any objections.  The real issue is the inherently undemocratic nature of FPTP not the redrawing of boundaries.

 

Yes, I think the boundary changes are probably fair, but you’re right. FPTP is totally unfair.

The worst example was probably UKIP who got shed loads of votes across the country but zero seats.

I certainly think we need to change.

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