Detournement Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 49 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: This makes no sense whatsoever. Remain voting Tories aren't going to switch to Labour in big numbers if Labour back remain. These are people who are voting on the basis of their bottom line. Labour will lose more voters than they will gain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 33 minutes ago, welshbairn said: If the Tories had stuck to their 2017 Manifesto commitment they would have got rid of the Fixed Terms Act and would have been forced into a General Election in December or January latest when the central part of their legislation got massacred when the DUP and ERG refused to back it. When do you think she would have lost a confidence vote? I doubt a single Tory or DUP MP wants an election. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 26 minutes ago, Detournement said: Remain voting Tories aren't going to switch to Labour in big numbers if Labour back remain. And your evidence for this is? If Labour back Remain then remainers of all stripes will hold their noses and back them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 7 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: And your evidence for this is? If Labour back Remain then remainers of all stripes will hold their noses and back them. And your evidence for this? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Detournement said: When do you think she would have lost a confidence vote? I doubt a single Tory or DUP MP wants an election. The normal thing used to be that you'd attach a motion of confidence to your primary legislation and your MPs would have backed it or be kicked out of the Party. Rees Mogg admitted that he would have fallen in line. The DUP would have too rather than likely lose their extraordinary leverage. Edited April 5, 2019 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 4 minutes ago, NotThePars said: And your evidence for this? Logic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 Just now, Tibbermoresaint said: Logic. Damn. Didn't realise we had Ben Shapino on the forum. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 1 minute ago, NotThePars said: Damn. Didn't realise we had Ben Shapino on the forum. Is that it? Is that all you've got? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 Just now, Tibbermoresaint said: Is that it? Is that all you've got? I just think if you're going to make assertions without any actual evidence then you shouldn't demand it of other people. Always HTH. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 1 minute ago, NotThePars said: I just think if you're going to make assertions without any actual evidence then you shouldn't demand it of other people. We are agreed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 If Labour commit to Remain they will lose their Leave voters and gain absolutely no one from the other parties. It's electoral suicide.It's far, far too late now but from the off Labour should have been declaring that as the Referendum had its origins in internal Tory schisms as opposed to a public clamour, they absolutely reserved the right to determine their own response, as the SNP have effectively done. A position that has subsequently been vindicated by events.But no, because they have a dithering, dogmatic anti-EU p***k at the helm, Labour has allowed itself to be dragged into the same political cul-de-sac as the Tories, whilst matching them step for step in incoherence and infighting. A Brexit for jobs ? Aye, right. Every Brexit is a disaster. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted April 5, 2019 Share Posted April 5, 2019 It's far, far too late now but from the off Labour should have been declaring that as the Referendum had its origins in internal Tory schisms as opposed to a public clamour, they absolutely reserved the right to determine their own response, as the SNP have effectively done. A position that has subsequently been vindicated by events.But no, because they have a dithering, dogmatic anti-EU p***k at the helm, Labour has allowed itself to be dragged into the same political cul-de-sac as the Tories, whilst matching them step for step in incoherence and infighting. A Brexit for jobs ? Aye, right. Every Brexit is a disaster.If the mumbleclown had shown some leadership during the EU referendum we might not be where we are.His duplicitous fence-sitting performance made sure that many Labour voters did not feel they had to back Remain. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizfit Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 Christ the brits are getting quite angry with Sturgeon just now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 6 minutes ago, mizfit said: Christ the brits are getting quite angry with Sturgeon just now. That article was from March 2017. Have you got any more up to date news? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted April 6, 2019 Author Share Posted April 6, 2019 10 hours ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: If the mumbleclown had shown some leadership during the EU referendum we might not be where we are. His duplicitous fence-sitting performance made sure that many Labour voters did not feel they had to back Remain. Whilst I agree with the general criticism, you have to bear in mind he is anti-EU. That was always going to be a key problem. Under different circumstances his integrity would be admirable but he has failed to recognise the implications of his actions. He has also betrayed his long standing belief that the Labour leader is answerable to the party membership who have been sidetracked rather than listened to. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 I had to turn it off. Tory after Tory complaining about how being asked to pay the correct tax is destroying metal health and tearing apart families.Gold? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 Got 100/1 on Stephen Barclay as the new Tory leader with Paddy Power. Maybe daft, but he's a Brexiteer and May loyalist, something that could go down well in the heartlands. He's had a lot of exposure recently as Brexit Secretary and stands up well to interrogation in Committee and in Parliament. He's also a pretty boy who will have the old Colonels rummaging furiously in their trouser pockets. The moderate side of the Parliamentary might give him a few votes as a foil against the likes of Boris and Raab. Most bookies don't even include him as a possible but hopefully he'll emerge from nowhere like John Major. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Got 100/1 on Stephen Barclay as the new Tory leader with Paddy Power. Maybe daft, but he's a Brexiteer and May loyalist, something that could go down well in the heartlands. He's had a lot of exposure recently as Brexit Secretary and stands up well to interrogation in Committee and in Parliament. He's also a pretty boy who will have the old Colonels rummaging furiously in their trouser pockets. The moderate side of the Parliamentary might give him a few votes as a foil against the likes of Boris and Raab. Most bookies don't even include him as a possible but hopefully he'll emerge from nowhere like John Major. He won't make the final 2. It'll be Gove as the right wing choice and Jeremy Hunt as the "moderate Brexiteer" who the remainders coalesce around as the unity candidate. The next PM will be a straight run-off between the man who destroyed the working conditions of our junior doctors and the man who ruined the mental health of a generation of teachers. Couldn't make this stuff up. (P.S. Gove will win quite easily) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 30 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Most bookies don't even include him as a possible but hopefully he'll emerge from nowhere like John Major. Or Leicester City. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted April 6, 2019 Share Posted April 6, 2019 https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2019/apr/05/government-accused-of-promoting-inequality-by-stealth?CMP=share_btn_tw Government accused of promoting inequality by stealth Exclusive: tax allowances for rich up 43% as social security payments fall, says thinktank Looks blatant rather than stealthy to me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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