General Politics Thread

[welshbairn]

1 hour ago, Jdog said:

Looks like Israel just shot down a Russian fighter jet over Syria, must be raging Al Qaeda are losing.

I wonder what the spin will be here.

 

ETA it looks like we're going with 'Syria accidentally shot it down'

Bit complicated to say who did what with the Russians, Syrians, Iranians, Turks, Israelis and now apparently the French involved. 

[Detournement]

The Guardian have changed the headline from 'shot down' to 'loses contact'. The Foreign Office must have had a word.

[Baxter Parp]

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/politics/726534/tay-cities-deal-funding-under-threat-as-uk-government-prepares-to-halve-expected-contribution/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Tay Cities Deal funding under threat as UK Government prepares to halve expected contribution

Tories "sleekit" shock.

No doubt SNPBad anyway.

[Jambo: First Blood]

8 hours ago, Jdog said:

Looks like Israel just shot down a Russian fighter jet over Syria, must be raging Al Qaeda are losing.

I wonder what the spin will be here.

ETA it looks like we're going with 'Syria accidentally shot it down'

You managed to get so much wrong in one post. Quite impressive. 

The Russian defence ministry are saying themselves that it was shot down by the SAA. 

You should read beyond the headline next time. You might actually learn something. 

[williemillersmoustache]

Dreadful news for people who want stricter controls on migration who claim they're not just racists.

 

 

[Jdog]

1 hour ago, Jambo: First Blood said:

You managed to get so much wrong in one post. Quite impressive. 

The Russian defence ministry are saying themselves that it was shot down by the SAA. 

You should read beyond the headline next time. You might actually learn something. 

They're actually blaming the Israelis for it if you read what they said.

The Israeli pilots used the Russian plane as cover and set it up to be targeted by the Syrian air defense forces. As a consequence, the Il-20, which has radar cross-section much larger than the F-16, was shot down by an S-200 system missile,” the statement said, adding that 15 Russian military service members have died as a result.

 

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.rt.com/news/438686-syria-russia-s200-il20/amp/

Edited September 18, 2018 by Jdog

[Jambo: First Blood]

7 minutes ago, Jdog said:

They're actually blaming the Israelis for it if you read what they said.

The Israeli pilots used the Russian plane as cover and set it up to be targeted by the Syrian air defense forces. As a consequence, the Il-20, which has radar cross-section much larger than the F-16, was shot down by an S-200 system missile,” the statement said, adding that 15 Russian military service members have died as a result.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.rt.com/news/438686-syria-russia-s200-il20/amp/

Yes they are which still makes your initial comments wrong and the "media spin" you referred to correct.

[Londonwell]

Was H_B a Tory on here before his latest reincarnation as a paranoid Corbynista?

Or was he at least a Labour sympathiser pre break down? I can't remember.  

[dorlomin]

10 hours ago, Jdog said:

Looks like Israel just shot down a Russian fighter jet over

[Jambo: First Blood]

6 hours ago, Jdog said:

They're actually blaming the Israelis for it if you read what they said.

The Israeli pilots used the Russian plane as cover and set it up to be targeted by the Syrian air defense forces. As a consequence, the Il-20, which has radar cross-section much larger than the F-16, was shot down by an S-200 system missile,” the statement said, adding that 15 Russian military service members have died as a result.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.rt.com/news/438686-syria-russia-s200-il20/amp/

The interesting thing about this incident is that it really shows up Russian propaganda on how useless and worse than Russian jets F16s are.

Russia has been selling Syria loads of anti-aircraft equipment and in return they accidentally shoot down their planes. 

You can never discount the sheer incompetence of the SAA to be fair.

Edited September 18, 2018 by Jambo: First Blood

[Benjamin_Nevis]

Was H_B a Tory on here before his latest reincarnation as a paranoid Corbynista?
Or was he at least a Labour sympathiser pre break down? I can't remember.  

His first incarnation spent it's entire time either obsessing over Supra or getting stuff hilariously wrong. I think he was Labour. The only two funny things he's ever done were relentlessly troll Eric Joyce, and own Oaksoft (that's a worrying indication of just how thick Oaksoft is tbh)

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Looks like Israel just shot down a Russian fighter jet over Syria, must be raging Al Qaeda are losing. I wonder what the spin will be here.

 

ETA it looks like we're going with 'Syria accidentally shot it down':rolleyes:

 

Even the Russians said it was the Syrians but can't directly blame them because they are seen as allies. 

Seems to be two points to the blaming the Israelis which looks to be utter nonsense.

 

Firstly, that the Israeli jets used the radar signature of the Russian Ilyushin to mask their own signature - very doubtful given that the Israeli F-16s are a hare to the Ilyushin's tortoise.

 

Secondly, that the Israelis only gave a minute's notice of the Israeli raid - given that the IAF has Russian-speaking air traffic controllers this should not have been a major issue - a minute is an eternity to manoeuver safely out of the way.

 

What's odd is that the Syrians should have known the Russian plane was coming in irrespective of the Israelis bring there or not.

 

Looks like a f**k up on the part of the Syrians which they and the Russians can't admit to for political reasons.

 

No surprise that you jumped on it like a shot given your previous.

 

 

 

[dorlomin]

There was a geopolitics thread or did I imagine it?

 

Any a new UN report on Myanmar makes for very grim reading. 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/18/tied-to-trees-and-raped-un-report-details-rohingya-horrors

Edited September 18, 2018 by dorlomin

[glasgow-sheep]

I see the tories have succeeded in turning snp twitter against the greens by flipping their support on testing five year olds.

Whether you agree with them or not the greens stuck to their manifesto. Tories have always supported (over) testing kids but spotted a chance to defeat the snp so chucked out any beliefs they had to score points, and then amazingly get away with it as folk (who know or care nothing about the policy other than snp always right) turn against the greens. Divide and conquer

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

I see the tories have succeeded in turning snp twitter against the greens by flipping their support on testing five year olds.

Whether you agree with them or not the greens stuck to their manifesto. Tories have always supported (over) testing kids but spotted a chance to defeat the snp so chucked out any beliefs they had to score points, and then amazingly get away with it as folk (who know or care nothing about the policy other than snp always right) turn against the greens. Divide and conquer

Tbf it wouldnt take any right minded person long to turn against Ross Greer, snivelling wee tosser that he is.

[Detournement]

10 hours ago, glasgow-sheep said:

I see the tories have succeeded in turning snp twitter against the greens by flipping their support on testing five year olds.

Whether you agree with them or not the greens stuck to their manifesto. Tories have always supported (over) testing kids but spotted a chance to defeat the snp so chucked out any beliefs they had to score points, and then amazingly get away with it as folk (who know or care nothing about the policy other than snp always right) turn against the greens. Divide and conquer

The SNP need to bin Swinney asap.

You can stick testing five year olds next to Named Person and abolishing corroboration in the pantheon of SNP bad policies. They obviously have no ideas of their own so just run with whatever the closest civil servant suggests.

[Sunrise]

6 hours ago, Detournement said:

The SNP need to bin Swinney asap.

You can stick testing five year olds next to Named Person and abolishing corroboration in the pantheon of SNP bad policies. They obviously have no ideas of their own so just run with whatever the closest civil servant suggests.

Explain.

[speedframe]

The SNP need to bin Swinney asap.
You can stick testing five year olds next to Named Person and abolishing corroboration in the pantheon of SNP bad policies. They obviously have no ideas of their own so just run with whatever the closest civil servant suggests.

This is not far off the mark

[Detournement]

57 minutes ago, Sunrise said:

Explain.

Creating a policy that blatantly contravenes the right to privacy in the ECHR. Losing at the Supreme Court. Trying and failing to push it through Holyrood regardless.

Not the SNP's finest moment.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

The SNP need to bin Swinney asap.
You can stick testing five year olds next to Named Person and abolishing corroboration in the pantheon of SNP bad policies. They obviously have no ideas of their own so just run with whatever the closest civil servant suggests.

It isn't testing - and that's what most people don't understand.

It's assessment to give a baseline to measure progress.