BerwickMad Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 It's not it's a valid comparison. War that causes millions of deaths vs. being a member of a facebook group where a couple of people out of the many members are anti-semites. What's the worse crime that deserves to be bravely called out. Aye, let’s ignore anti-semitism because worse things have happened. And anyway, the vote for the war in Iraq was 16 or so years ago. A lot of those making a stand against this vile anti-semitic element of the Labour Party weren’t in Parliament then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 28, 2018 Author Share Posted March 28, 2018 6 minutes ago, BerwickMad said: Aye, let’s ignore anti-semitism because worse things have happened. And anyway, the vote for the war in Iraq was 16 or so years ago. A lot of those making a stand against this vile anti-semitic element of the Labour Party weren’t in Parliament then. Aye let’s ignore the c***s that supported Blair and his illegal war because it happened 16 years ago. The Labour Party is in a dark place because of c***s like you. Meanwhile British pro-Zionist Jewish groups are trying to use the existing public attention to box Corbyn into a corner. He needs to tell them to get to f**k. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Aye let’s ignore the c***s that supported Blair and his illegal war because it happened 16 years ago. The Labour Party is in a dark place because of c***s like you. Meanwhile British pro-Zionist Jewish groups are trying to use the existing public attention to box Corbyn into a corner. He needs to tell them to get to f**k. Yes, let’s ignore it when talking about anti-semitism in the Labour Party because it has absolutely nothing to do with it. It’s whataboutary. Being called a c**t by someone with as vile opinions as you means absolutely nothing to me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 28, 2018 Author Share Posted March 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, BerwickMad said: Yes, let’s ignore it when talking about anti-semitism in the Labour Party because it has absolutely nothing to do with it. It’s whataboutary. Being called a c**t by someone with as vile opinions as you means absolutely nothing to me. Good. C*nt. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Berwick the britnat really is the perfect example of the cancer that has been destroying labour for years. Absolutely vile individual who genuinely believes he's one of the good guys and anybody who doesn't strictly adhere to his extremely narrow tightrope walking version of centrism is dangerous. Long may they continue cause labour are scum and watching them implode is the most entertaining thing ever. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 33 minutes ago, ThatBoyRonaldo said: Real edifying stuff, this. Political debate at its finest. 44 minutes ago, Peppino Impastato said: Berwick the britnat really is the perfect example of the cancer that has been destroying labour for years. Absolutely vile individual who genuinely believes he's one of the good guys and anybody who doesn't strictly adhere to his extremely narrow tightrope walking version of centrism is dangerous. Long may they continue cause labour are scum and watching them implode is the most entertaining thing ever. You managed to write three sentences without challenging a single thing he said. Well done! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Fuzzy gonna fuzzy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Political debate at its finest. You managed to write three sentences without challenging a single thing he said. Well done! I dont really read his posts 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest of Dean Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 (edited) ... Edited October 19, 2018 by Forest of Dean 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 28, 2018 Author Share Posted March 28, 2018 7 minutes ago, Forest of Dean said: The anti-semitism is nothing to do with Corbyn. 2 people of out of a group of hundreds (probably thousands). Government officials and other top people in Israel say far worse every day. In fact the Chief Rabbi of Israel called black people monkeys only last week. You'd be be called an anti-semite by the same people that are getting outraged by this recent Corbyn thing if you even pointed out that Israeli society has uncountable vicious racists in very high positions. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-cheif-rabbi-black-people-monkeys-yitzhak-yosef-talmud-sephardic-a8267666.html%3famp Israeli chief rabbi calls black people 'monkeys' Struggling to remember this being reported on the BBC or being condemned by the Labour Friends of Israel. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 The anti-semitism is nothing to do with Corbyn. 2 people of out of a group of hundreds (probably thousands). Government officials and other top people in Israel say far worse every day. In fact the Chief Rabbi of Israel called black people monkeys only last week. You'd be be called an anti-semite by the same people that are getting outraged by this recent Corbyn thing if you even pointed out that Israeli society has uncountable vicious racists in very high positions. I didn’t even mention Israel. You’ve straight away gone to talking about what officials in Israel say. These were Jewish people saying enough is enough to anti-semitism following, for whatever reason, the discovery of a comment Corbyn made about an anti-Semitic mural. These were not people defending actions of the Israeli state. You’ve linked the two simply because they’re Jewish. Can’t you see the problem with that? If Muslims make a stand against Islamophobia over say Zac Goldsmiths mayoral campaign, do you straight away start looking for vile, racist things Muslim officials have said in Iran, Pakistan or another majority muslim country? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Stephen Bush pretty much on the money: https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2018/03/jeremy-corbyn-labour-anti-semitism-failures-apology. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 28, 2018 Author Share Posted March 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, DrewDon said: Stephen Bush pretty much on the money: https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2018/03/jeremy-corbyn-labour-anti-semitism-failures-apology. On the money? You must be taking the piss. “Corbyn must take real action and realise that those who are upset don’t just wish the party’s leadership ill.” 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmothecat2 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 On the money? You must be taking the piss. “Corbyn must take real action and realise that those who are upset don’t just wish the party’s leadership ill.” What do you disagree with about the article? It sounds pretty even handed and gives a pretty accurate decision as to why this hurts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 28, 2018 Author Share Posted March 28, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Jmothecat2 said: What do you disagree with about the article? It sounds pretty even handed and gives a pretty accurate decision as to why this hurts. I don’t think it’s a totally bad article. I believe that there are many Corbyn critics who are ONLY motivated by trying to discredit and undermine Corbyn. I wonder how many of these “Corbyn is an anti-Semite” critics are not rabid pro-Zionists. Edited March 28, 2018 by Granny Danger 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest of Dean Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Granny Danger said: Meanwhile British pro-Zionist Jewish groups are trying to use the existing public attention to box Corbyn into a corner. He needs to tell them to get to f**k. He's doing ok. He hasn't yet ceded any ground on foreign policy positions which is what they want him to do if they can't get him out. I don't think there is a huge benefit in coming out swinging as long as he doesn't give up his policies. His supporters mainly know that this is a cynical attack so that helps. If it gets much worse he will need to be more direct I feel. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest of Dean Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 22 minutes ago, BerwickMad said: I didn’t even mention Israel. You’ve straight away gone to talking about what officials in Israel say. These were Jewish people saying enough is enough to anti-semitism following, for whatever reason, the discovery of a comment Corbyn made about an anti-Semitic mural. These were not people defending actions of the Israeli state. You’ve linked the two simply because they’re Jewish. Can’t you see the problem with that? If Muslims make a stand against Islamophobia over say Zac Goldsmiths mayoral campaign, do you straight away start looking for vile, racist things Muslim officials have said in Iran, Pakistan or another majority muslim country? It matters because the main groups coming out to attack him (LFI, CAA, CST, etc.) have not only been steadfastly against him since the start (due to his support of justice for Palestinians) but are also strong supporters of the state of Israel which is an apartheid racist state. Now they are jumping on him because they desperately want him out over anti-jewish racism accusations - not because they are anti-racist but because they only care about one kind of racism. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmothecat2 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 I really don't know how to react to people who think the only reason people are angry about the leader of the fucking Labour Party being embroiled in an anti-Semitism scandal is because it's an excuse to put pressure on him. Corbyn's actions are not good enough, his apology was not good enough, his record on this is not good enough and it hurts. It implies a lack of commitment to fighting anti-Semitism. You can't pick or choose which forms of prejudice you oppose if you are going to be the Labour leader. You can't have a grey area on this. This is the situation we are in: That mural is widely offensive to Jews. It is antisemitic. Jeremy Corbyn posted, in a Facebook group with antisemites, disagreement at the mural being removed. Why would that not cause anger from Labour members and supporters, particularly Jewish ones? Whatever their opinions about Israel or Jeremy Corbyn are do not matter. Why is there so much focus on them? Why not focus on the person who did wrong here, rather than effectively victim blame? That allies of Corbyn aren't criticising him over this says a hell of a lot more about them than it does us. People are justifiably pissed off about this and it's quite incredible that their motives are being questioned so much considering how blatantly obvious it is why people are pissed off. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 There are loads of leftists (myself included) who think Labour can and should do much better in challenging endemic anti-semitism within the party and on the broader left. That doesn’t dismiss the fact that elements of the Tory Party and the centre-right of the party are using this for their own political gain but the best response is to get the left’s house in order and take anti-semitism as seriously as any other form of racism. It’s not like the left doesn’t owe a huge debt of gratitude to Jewish people and their voices need amplified further than they are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 39 minutes ago, Jmothecat2 said: I really don't know how to react to people who think the only reason people are angry about the leader of the fucking Labour Party being embroiled in an anti-Semitism scandal is because it's an excuse to put pressure on him. Corbyn's actions are not good enough, his apology was not good enough, his record on this is not good enough and it hurts. It implies a lack of commitment to fighting anti-Semitism. You can't pick or choose which forms of prejudice you oppose if you are going to be the Labour leader. You can't have a grey area on this. This is the situation we are in: That mural is widely offensive to Jews. It is antisemitic. Jeremy Corbyn posted, in a Facebook group with antisemites, disagreement at the mural being removed. Why would that not cause anger from Labour members and supporters, particularly Jewish ones? Whatever their opinions about Israel or Jeremy Corbyn are do not matter. Why is there so much focus on them? Why not focus on the person who did wrong here, rather than effectively victim blame? That allies of Corbyn aren't criticising him over this says a hell of a lot more about them than it does us. People are justifiably pissed off about this and it's quite incredible that their motives are being questioned so much considering how blatantly obvious it is why people are pissed off. Using the example of Rothschild removing a mural with Lenin in it to justify keeping the mural showed he knew exactly what he was saying. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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