NotThePars Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 Except I've pointed out once you start putting stringent checks on benefits to weed out suspected scroungers you end up catching genuinely vulnerable people in the crossfire. This is what's been happening for the past 7 years of Tory government. Also blaming the Tory's ideological dismantling of the welfare state on benefit scroungers is heavy dull. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 1 hour ago, strichener said: And if the number of people "working the system" is removing resource from the most vulnerable? Tax breaks for the rich are removing resource from the most vulnerable, corporation tax cuts are removing resource from the most vulnerable. Benefit fraud is infinitesimally small beer compared to tax avoidance and evasion. Get your priorities straight. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 Revealed: UK Government let British company export nerve gas chemicals to Syria From 2013 Independent http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/revealed-uk-government-let-british-company-export-nerve-gas-chemicals-to-syria-8793642.html How about that, the UK is the mother of a war crime. Well, another one, anyway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 2 hours ago, NotThePars said: Except I've pointed out once you start putting stringent checks on benefits to weed out suspected scroungers you end up catching genuinely vulnerable people in the crossfire. This is what's been happening for the past 7 years of Tory government. Also blaming the Tory's ideological dismantling of the welfare state on benefit scroungers is heavy dull. So your solution is to have no checks and no attempts to curb people that "sponge"! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 1 hour ago, Baxter Parp said: Tax breaks for the rich are removing resource from the most vulnerable, corporation tax cuts are removing resource from the most vulnerable. Benefit fraud is infinitesimally small beer compared to tax avoidance and evasion. Get your priorities straight. Since you have been the recipient of tax cuts via increase personal allowance, can I assume that you have voluntarily donated all increases to the DWP to distribute to more needy recipient? You do realise that everyone that contributes to a pension, ISA etc. is avoiding tax? Although as long as you can throw the generic "tax avoiders and evaders" term about then your can post with a clear conscience and ignore the fact that you are personally one of these tax avoiders? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 Jeremy Corbyn is such a feeble, vapid man. I'd go as far as to say that I am offended but him and his delusional, pipe dream liberalism. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t1t3h Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 So your solution is to have no checks and no attempts to curb people that "sponge"! An easy way that they could check if someone is genuinely ill or not is to contact the persons GP or doctor. Another way could be to request the persons medical records. Instead of the current situation where you often have to pay your own GP to write a letter to the DWP, only for an ATOS nurse to dimiss your doctor, neurologist, physiatrist or whatever other medical documents you have in favour or their own blatant lies and misrepresentation of your personal circumstances. The current system is an ideological attack on the most vulnerable in society, nothing more and nothing less. Disabled people don't and won't mind being assessed fairly, under this Tory government it is anything but fair. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 3 hours ago, strichener said: Since you have been the recipient of tax cuts via increase personal allowance, can I assume that you have voluntarily donated all increases to the DWP to distribute to more needy recipient? You do realise that everyone that contributes to a pension, ISA etc. is avoiding tax? Although as long as you can throw the generic "tax avoiders and evaders" term about then your can post with a clear conscience and ignore the fact that you are personally one of these tax avoiders? Since you don't have the first clue about what you're talking about and I'm ex-HMRC I can safely ignore this utter pish. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DublinMagyar Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 I saw this on the BBC and thought you should see it:Hurricane Energy triples oil estimate for North Sea field - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-39529555More fucking oil. Can't afford this shit 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 9 minutes ago, DublinMagyar said: I saw this on the BBC and thought you should see it: Hurricane Energy triples oil estimate for North Sea field - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-39529555 More fucking oil. Can't afford this shit We're doomed. Might as well have discovered a new outbreak of bubonic plague drifting out of Caithness. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 1 hour ago, DublinMagyar said: I saw this on the BBC and thought you should see it: Hurricane Energy triples oil estimate for North Sea field - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-39529555 More fucking oil. Can't afford this shit Does that mean we all get fracked? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 13 hours ago, t1t3h said: An easy way that they could check if someone is genuinely ill or not is to contact the persons GP or doctor. Another way could be to request the persons medical records. Instead of the current situation where you often have to pay your own GP to write a letter to the DWP, only for an ATOS nurse to dimiss your doctor, neurologist, physiatrist or whatever other medical documents you have in favour or their own blatant lies and misrepresentation of your personal circumstances. The current system is an ideological attack on the most vulnerable in society, nothing more and nothing less. Disabled people don't and won't mind being assessed fairly, under this Tory government it is anything but fair. Fucking bang on mate. I don't think there's a disabled person in the land that would object to having to provide a letter from their GP. I know of disabled people who have been made to feel guilty, nervous, ashamed and depressed through the then DWP and now PIP assessment process. A mate's mum who eventually won a tribunal got so bad with worry, she developed anxiety every time the postman arrived, couldn't sleep at night and had to be treated for depression. All because of how this Government treats actual disabled people. It's a fucking disgrace. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 11 hours ago, DublinMagyar said: I saw this on the BBC and thought you should see it: Hurricane Energy triples oil estimate for North Sea field - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-39529555 More fucking oil. Can't afford this shit Still be like Greece etc etc 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaffenThinMint Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 17 hours ago, Baxter Parp said: Revealed: UK Government let British company export nerve gas chemicals to Syria From 2013 Independent http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/revealed-uk-government-let-british-company-export-nerve-gas-chemicals-to-syria-8793642.html How about that, the UK is the mother of a war crime. Well, another one, anyway. To be fair, Sodium Fluoride tends to get used a lot for the fluoridisation of water supplies and as a rat poison. Potassium Flouride is a bit harder to justify though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 Fucking bang on mate. I don't think there's a disabled person in the land that would object to having to provide a letter from their GP. I know of disabled people who have been made to feel guilty, nervous, ashamed and depressed through the then DWP and now PIP assessment process. A mate's mum who eventually won a tribunal got so bad with worry, she developed anxiety every time the postman arrived, couldn't sleep at night and had to be treated for depression. All because of how this Government treats actual disabled people. It's a fucking disgrace. Oh christ don't let oaksoft know they got depression he'll be demanding they lose their PIP payments for something as trivial as that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 On 07/04/2017 at 20:06, Baxter Parp said: Since you don't have the first clue about what you're talking about and I'm ex-HMRC I can safely ignore this utter pish. Probably why you are "ex". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 1 minute ago, strichener said: Probably why you are "ex". Oh zing. Fucksake. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Just like he's ex SNP. Don't worry about it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 41 minutes ago, Randy Giles said: Just like he's ex SNP. Don't worry about it. Eh, no. I have never been SNP but don't let that get in the way of your self-appointed policing role within the forum. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 [emoji38]So you defending them putting homophobes in was just you being a bigot rather than being pro SNP? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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