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1 minute ago, 54_and_counting said:

Of course they dont deserve it, f**k sake ambulance paramedics earn way less than a train driver, can you imagine the uproar of all the ambulance medics went "f**k this lets strike" 

When the rail service was privately owned, it was bad enough, the train users had to face shite services for expensive fares, but at least they (well most) had the choice to choose different transport

Now the taxpayers are paying for a shit service that is going to cost even more money for the same shit service, 

Why anyone would think they deserve their wage and its worth the service provided is beyond me

Whats your issue with the service provided by train drivers, specifically?

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Not getting the argument that someone doesn't deserve their pay because others make less generally (obviously this doesn't apply to the c***s making hundreds of times the wage of their workers).

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1 minute ago, DA Baracus said:

Not getting the argument that someone doesn't deserve their pay because others make less generally (obviously this does apply to the c***s making hundreds of times the wage of their workers).

No, speculating that people don't deserve their wages is very much a "true colours" moment

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56 minutes ago, Lyle Lanley said:

Alcohol ban kept in place for the summer. :lol: 

 

 

48 minutes ago, Tynie Tappertit said:

Morons.

 

39 minutes ago, Left Back said:

That’s never getting lifted.

I'm not sure what they think it being achieved given it's widely ignored (hoping that Todd is Godd doesn't start telling us that conductors should confiscate all alcohol on trains and demand the details of everyone who drinks on a train so that they can be given a fine!).

Agree with Left Back, it's never getting lifted and not sure why they're pretending otherwise. No one is fooled.

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6 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:

 

 

I'm not sure what they think it being achieved given it's widely ignored (hoping that Todd is Godd doesn't start telling us that conductors should confiscate all alcohol on trains and demand the details of everyone who drinks on a train so that they can be given a fine!).

Agree with Left Back, it's never getting lifted and not sure why they're pretending otherwise. No one is fooled.

It's absolutely pitiful nanny state shite at its worst.

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37 minutes ago, Tynie Tappertit said:

It's absolutely pitiful nanny state shite at its worst.

Aye, it's nonsense. How do they justify it? Folk can drink on LNER and Cross Country trains in Scotland (indeed they even sell alcohol on them in Scotland!) and it's not like they arrive at their final stops burnt out husks after some mad rioting from boozed up fuckers, with a startling death toll!

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45 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:

I'm not sure what they think it being achieved given it's widely ignored (hoping that Todd is Godd doesn't start telling us that conductors should confiscate all alcohol on trains and demand the details of everyone who drinks on a train so that they can be given a fine!).

Agree with Left Back, it's never getting lifted and not sure why they're pretending otherwise. No one is fooled.

The alcohol ban is a nonsense, but, given BTP do not patrol every train, who do you think Scotrail's managers are expecting to enforce it if not their conductors?

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1 minute ago, Todd_is_God said:

The alcohol ban is a nonsense, but, given BTP do not patrol every train, who do you think Scotrail's managers are expecting to enforce it if not their conductors?

I'm not sure they really expect the conductors to enforce it given how, in my experience at least, the vast majority of conductors don't care or even say anything.

Did Scotrail even have a say in it? I know they brought it in during COVID, but there was a logic to it regardless of it folk agreed with it or not. Now that most COVID restrictions have been lifted and most folk have been vaccinated, there isn't any justification for keeping the ban in place, and it comes across as a government decision and not a Scotrail one (harder to make the distinction now mind). Wonder if it's a lost revenue stream too (selling cans etc on the train I mean)?

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1 minute ago, philpy said:

Not every conductor enforces it.

I've never once see a conductor even try. Don't blame them. I imagine some do at least try, but on some services you have whole carriages and even a majority of an entire train having drinks.

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11 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

The alcohol ban is a nonsense, but, given BTP do not patrol every train, who do you think Scotrail's managers are expecting to enforce it if not their conductors?

The same people who currently enforce no motorbikes on the train. Or no fireworks displays. None of which changes the fact that Conductors aren't coppers, which I imagine is where you are going with this re fare dodging. 

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2 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:

I've never once see a conductor even try. Don't blame them. I imagine some do at least try, but on some services you have whole carriages and even a majority of an entire train having drinks.

I went over on the train for a raith (only fife team in the championship) last season, had 3 neck oils on the way there, and a couple of jd and coke tins on the way back, conducters never batted an eyelid.

 

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4 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

The same people who currently enforce no motorbikes on the train. Or no fireworks displays. None of which changes the fact that Conductors aren't coppers, which I imagine is where you are going with this re fare dodging. 

Where I was going with it was that certain posters claim it's just not possible for Scotrail to enforce penalty fares because conductors might get a slap for issuing them, yet this is in direct contrast to the fact that Scotrail are clearly willing to risk their conductors "getting a slap" by expecting them to enforce alcohol bans.

That many don't actually do it is neither here nor there.

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1 minute ago, philpy said:

I went over on the train for a raith (only fife team in the championship) last season, had 3 neck oils on the way there, and a couple of jd and coke tins on the way back, conducters never batted an eyelid.

 

Aye I've had a few cans on the train on the way home from the football multiple times last season and the conductor never once said a thing. In fact, one was even joking about it with the folk sitting boozing at a table in front of me.

Just now, Todd_is_God said:

Where I was going with it was that certain posters claim it's just not possible for Scotrail to enforce penalty fares because conductors might get a slap for issuing them, yet this is in direct contrast to the fact that Scotrail are clearly willing to risk their conductors "getting a slap" by expecting them to enforce alcohol bans.

I'm not sure Scotrail really expect them to enforce it other than telling folk they shouldn't be doing it.

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Just now, Todd_is_God said:

Where I was going with it was that certain posters claim it's just not possible for Scotrail to enforce penalty fares because conductors might get a slap for issuing them, yet this is in direct contrast to the fact that Scotrail are clearly willing to risk their conductors "getting a slap" by expecting them to enforce alcohol bans.

It depends on the level of expected enforcement. My opinion re fare dodging is that the problem is not seen as being big enough to throw any more resources at it than what already exists. Conductors selling tickets to those who board without one, and some slipping through the net is probably an acceptable wastage. 

They probably expect the alcohol ban to deter most, some of those who carry on to acquiesce to a conductor saying "can you put that away please, its not allowed on the service" and some to be fannies about it, with said fannies again representing a small enough portion that its not worth additional resources. In such cases, they probably train the conductor to act in a way as to minimise potential escalation, and if neccessary get BTP involved

 

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Just now, Bairnardo said:

They probably expect the alcohol ban to deter most, some of those who carry on to acquiesce to a conductor saying "can you put that away please, its not allowed on the service" and some to be fannies about it, with said fannies again representing a small enough portion that its not worth additional resources. In such cases, they probably train the conductor to act in a way as to minimise potential escalation, and if neccessary get BTP involved

Replace "alcohol ban" with "penalty fares" and you have essentially described my point from yesterday.

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4 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:

I'm not sure Scotrail really expect them to enforce it other than telling folk they shouldn't be doing it.

I'm not convinced. By tweeting about it, they maintain public awareness of it, and invite outraged passengers to tweet them etc when they see people drinking on board and conductors ignoring it.

 

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Just now, Todd_is_God said:

Replace "alcohol ban" with "penalty fares" and you have essentially described my point from yesterday.

I lost the run of the fare dodgers debate. Didnt you say that the ability to issue penalty fares already exists? If so, then your point and my point sort of combine to make "no changes required". Conductors dont have the authority to escalate, and so in the rare cases where a ticketless passenger gets belligerent over it, its really not worth getting into it with them, because the penalty fare thing has already put off the vast majority of fare dodgers

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I've had conductors say "I am not supposed to see that" with a smirk as they pass.

It's the annoying fact that BTP will only ever be present on "fitba trains" or the trains were all the youth arrange their days to Ayr beach.

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22 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:

I've never once see a conductor even try. Don't blame them. I imagine some do at least try, but on some services you have whole carriages and even a majority of an entire train having drinks.

Most have been sound, but one pulled us up about it on the train up to Inverness. At this point all the beers were still in a carrier bag in the seat next to me and fucking hawk eye still spotted them and said if we opened them he’d report us to the BTP. Thankfully he never returned up our side of the carriage so it wasn’t an issue. 

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