54_and_counting Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 Just now, welshbairn said: FFS don't let on what the Scotrail plumbers get, folk will have a fit. Aye and they get to sell the old copper pipes as well, fucking crooks, down with them all 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 We are nearly at the "middle class" shouldn't be allowed to strike part of this thread now 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Empty It Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 So first we had the bitter folk moaning because train drivers earn more money than them now we have the bitter folk moaning because conductors earn more than them. Also arguing that 34k a year isn't working class is mental. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 1 minute ago, doulikefish said: We are nearly at the "middle class" shouldn't be allowed to strike part of this thread now Shut up, this is exactly how Nazi Germany started. A lot of layabouts with nothing better to do... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Empty It said: So first we had the bitter folk moaning because train drivers earn more money than them now we have the bitter folk moaning because conductors earn more than them. Also arguing that 34k a year isn't working class is mental. Don't recall anyone doing that. May well have done but if so I've missed it. What people were moaning about was the union demands when these people are already paid substantially more than others in the public sector who would be more in need of a decent pay-rise but won't be getting one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishBhoy Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 9 minutes ago, 54_and_counting said: Cetainly not working class, if you think 500 is working class (13 quid an hour after deductions) what would you call the nhs staff that are on 12 quid an hour before tax? Working class as well. Its an extremely broad spectrum, and £24,000 net pay per annum isn’t even in the same stratosphere as middle class in the UK. It depends on your definition of middle class tbh but I would say upwards of £80k net per annum, along with numerous other factors such as assets owned, savings, investments etc. It’s a subjective issue as I know guys who grew up in housing schemes that now have 6 figure businesses and 2 or 3 properties, but I would still label them working class. I’ve always thought of middle class Britain to be one rung under the elite, wealthy enough that they don’t need to work to sustain their lifestyle, and working class the rest of the way down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54_and_counting Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 Just now, Left Back said: Don't recall anyone doing that. May well have done but if so I've missed it. What people were moaning about was the union demands when these people are already paid substantially more than others in the public sector who would be more in need of a decent pay-rise but won't be getting one. I wasnt even moaning about that, i just think its arguable that working class is now at a point where its 500 a week in your hand for full time hours, As VT i think said earlier, imagine mr and miss conductor got together, a grand a week net wage for one household, thats not working class imo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54_and_counting Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, IrishBhoy said: Working class as well. Its an extremely broad spectrum, and £24,000 net pay per annum isn’t even in the same stratosphere as middle class in the UK. It depends on your definition of middle class tbh but I would say upwards of £80k net per annum, along with numerous other factors such as assets owned, savings, investments etc. It’s a subjective issue as I know guys who grew up in housing schemes that now have 6 figure businesses and 2 or 3 properties, but I would still label them working class. I’ve always thought of middle class Britain to be one rung under the elite, wealthy enough that they don’t need to work to sustain their lifestyle, and working class the rest of the way down. Aye that's fair enough, everyones opinion will be different, to me, a single person who could literally pay their monthly bills in a little over a fortnight's wages (if they arent idiots with their money etc) isnt working class, ans if two of them take home that wage its a hell of a lot easier 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 You need a V-Neck top and a Volvo to be regarded as Middle Class, I'm told. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 1 minute ago, 19QOS19 said: You need a V-Neck top and a Volvo to be regarded as Middle Class, I'm told. Carrying the Daily Mail around with you helps. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmic Joe Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 Play golf at weekends 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 11 minutes ago, IrishBhoy said: Working class as well. Its an extremely broad spectrum, and £24,000 net pay per annum isn’t even in the same stratosphere as middle class in the UK. It depends on your definition of middle class tbh but I would say upwards of £80k net per annum, along with numerous other factors such as assets owned, savings, investments etc. It’s a subjective issue as I know guys who grew up in housing schemes that now have 6 figure businesses and 2 or 3 properties, but I would still label them working class. I’ve always thought of middle class Britain to be one rung under the elite, wealthy enough that they don’t need to work to sustain their lifestyle, and working class the rest of the way down. 80k net would be in the top 2% of incomes in Scotland 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 Say 'yeah' exclusively instead of 'aye'. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 3 hours ago, Todd_is_God said: You're right, we should just allow people to travel for free in case they are an arsehole. I can travel for free. Not sure if the second part of the sentence applies, or not... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Flash Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Todd_is_God said: They already have that authority, though... Penalty fares 5.—(1) Subject to regulations 6, 7 and 10, if a person fails to produce a platform ticket or a valid travel ticket in accordance with regulation 4, a collector may charge that person a penalty fare. (2) Where a collector charges a penalty fare to a person under paragraph (1), the collector must provide that person with the following information in writing at the time the penalty fare is charged— (a) a statement that the person is being charged a penalty fare; (b) an explanation of why the person is being charged a penalty fare; (c) the identification number of the collector; (d) the name of the operator on whose behalf the penalty fare is charged; (e) the penalty fare number; (f) the amount of the penalty fare; (g) a statement that the person has the right to appeal against the penalty fare and an explanation of how the person can appeal; (h) a statement that the person must either pay, or appeal against, the penalty fare within 21 days beginning with the day following the day on which the penalty fare is charged; (i) an explanation of how the penalty fare may be paid; and (j) a statement that the person is entitled to a receipt if they pay the penalty fare. (3) Where a person who is charged a penalty fare under paragraph (1) pays the penalty fare I don’t think they already have that authority. The above is an extract from The Railways (Penalty Fares) Regulations 2018 which don’t apply to Scotrail or Scotland only services. Extract below from Regulation 2 which sets out the scope of the Regulations Application 2.—(1) These Regulations apply in relation to— (a)a railway passenger service(2) within the scope of paragraph (2); and (b)any station(3) at which a railway passenger service within the scope of paragraph (2) makes a scheduled call(4). (2) A railway passenger service is within the scope of this paragraph unless it is— (a)provided under a Scottish franchise agreement(5); (b)a Scotland-only service(6); (c)a service the provision of which is secured by the Scottish Ministers; So, the SG would need to change the law in order to introduce penalty fares here. I agree that they should be introduced but I don’t think, currently, conductors on trains are legally allowed to issue penalty fares on Scotrail trains. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 6 hours ago, jamamafegan said: Oh, it’s not proportionate is it? Terribly sorry about that sir, lets reduce that fine for you and get it down to a figure that you’re willing to pay. This is how Finland deals with speeding fines In Finland, speeding tickets are linked to your income | World Economic Forum (weforum.org) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishBhoy Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 14 minutes ago, Marshmallo said: 80k net would be in the top 2% of incomes in Scotland Fair enough, probably can’t class that as working class. I do think there is many other factors that need to be taken into account over net salary. It’s a very subjective issue and probably not worth batting back and forth on here as everyone will view it slightly differently depending on their upbringing. I remember a documentary John Prescott appeared on, in some northern English town. He had lunch with some teenagers that lived on a council estate and he was surprised to hear them say they labelled themselves as middle class, because they assumed the working class were the people with less money than them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 51 minutes ago, 54_and_counting said: 500 after tax, NI and pensions is working class? a pension that is likely 300 a month minimum put into it, Cetainly not working class, if you think 500 is working class (13 quid an hour after deductions) what would you call the nhs staff that are on 12 quid an hour before tax? Working class lite. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Bairnardo said: Have we done "what defines your class" yet? I feel sure we have.... What were the conclusions? Why would you want to continue perpetuating such arbitrary division anyway? In modern Scotland, 99% of people try to insist that they're working class - even when that's objectively not (or no longer the case). In the same way that some European nations lacked an aristocracy in the 19th/20th century, Scotland being a working class people is part of its modern national mythology. What's particularly interesting - hypocritical - about this issue is that very few fully subscribe to it. There has been a clearly documented aristocracy of labour in Scotland since the 19th century. Good luck telling an engineer or welder at a Clyde shipyard back then that they were on the same level as an Irish docker - you'd have got your head kicked in. The demarcation disputes of the post-war era were driven in large part by the same distinctions between employees. And so-called 'skilled labour' continue to look down their noses at unskilled posts all the time. It's only when people start to scrutinise unequal wages and 'workers' earning 50% over the median wage (or train drivers on £50k a year FFS) that the workers of the world unite bullshit gets trotted out again. It's a middle class cover story before they secretly file their ballots for Ruth Davidson and the Union. Edited June 17, 2022 by vikingTON 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert Raccoon Posted June 17, 2022 Share Posted June 17, 2022 No wonder all those c***s on Inside Central Station have shit eating grins all the time. Few hours herding pissheads on a train to watch Scotland play Belarus before retiring to your mansion for some caviar and cuban cigars 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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