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31 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

 

Labour are a joke right now but deaffliating is a huge step and I think presently staying in is clearly the least worst option for trade unions.

As far as industrial action goes it would be well justified by real terms wage cuts and the SNP clearly looking to scale down rail travel in Scotland.

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5 minutes ago, Detournement said:

Labour are a joke right now but deaffliating is a huge step and I think presently staying in is clearly the least worst option for trade unions.

As far as industrial action goes it would be well justified by real terms wage cuts and the SNP clearly looking to scale down rail travel in Scotland.

They're scaling down rail travel because A. They've they've inherited a company without enough drivers, and B. The drivers union is encouraging their members not to cover the shortage. Anything that makes the SG look bad is good for Labour. Labour have been actively supporting Conservative rule in Scottish Councils as the better option than sharing power with the SNP. 

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OK then, Scotrail is renationalised, this is what the branch office of Labour wanted for years, what would Labour have done differently than the present Scottish government has done ?? All previous franchise holders negotiated with the rail unions and everybody seemed happy with the way things were going until nationalisation exposed the driver shortages for everyone to see. Scotrail for years was the only company up here training drivers, other companies poached trained drivers to fill their driver vacancies. LNER, XCOUNTRY, TPE, AVANTI WEST COAST all poached drivers from Scotrail all offering better salaries and a less intensive way of working, fewer stops. The question Labour and the tories and the rest have to answer is, what would you have done differently??

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They're scaling down rail travel because A. They've they've inherited a company without enough drivers, and B. The drivers union is encouraging their members not to cover the shortage. Anything that makes the SG look bad is good for Labour. Labour have been actively supporting Conservative rule in Scottish Councils as the better option than sharing power with the SNP. 


"B" is absolutely wrong FWIW.
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Aslef are certainly at it when it comes to the current "it wuz the Scottish Government that made us strike!" soundbite, as the syndicalist railway unions have been striking so regularly it should just be published on the new year calendars. 

ScotRail are however also at it in blaming "the pandemic" for suddenly being 180 (!) drivers short of what is required, which will then miraculously be made good 'by October'. A truly risible excuse for dreadful management. 

The SG are less culpable than either of those are cheeks but Sturgeon's mewling that the timetable will be "reviewed regularly" is not even remotely good enough. Your job is to crack heads together to bring this nonsense to an end. And if that involves a sweetener to avoid ridiculous disruption for up to the supposed five months it would take to have sufficient capacity then that should be given. The knock-on costs will be far greater than letting this nonsense charade continue.

In the longer term, rail employees should be converted into civil servants directly employed by the state and with the relative benefits and security that offers. In exchange though, they should have their right to close down a public service every time the syndicalist leadership feel like it removed. 

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31 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said:


 

 


"B" is absolutely wrong FWIW.

 

How come ASLEF are saying it could all be sorted with a decent pay deal then? 

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How come ASLEF are saying it could all be sorted with a decent pay deal then? 
Aslef haven't told or suggested to drivers not to do overtime, there's absolutely nothing stopping them working OT and I expect many still are tbh.

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I figured there might be something like that, What about the download part though? Why would you not download it?

If you didn't have access to data or wanted to do it over WiFi?
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13 minutes ago, craigkillie said:

If you didn't have access to data or wanted to do it over WiFi?

Surely can't be that; you need a data connection to use the app, and the ticket itself is a tiny amout of data.

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They're scaling down rail travel because A. They've they've inherited a company without enough drivers, and B. The drivers union is encouraging their members not to cover the shortage. Anything that makes the SG look bad is good for Labour. Labour have been actively supporting Conservative rule in Scottish Councils as the better option than sharing power with the SNP. 
As I have said before, if you have evidence for B, I'm sure Scotgov and Scotrail would like to hear it, so that they could save the people in question.

Otherwise, you should probably stop accusing people of taking wildcat industrial action because you don't like the fact that the timetable has been revised downwards as a direct result of there not being enough staff to safely cover the job.


Mandating overtime is not safe. The correct number of people employed to cover the safety critical roles, using normal working hours/patterns IS safe. It is absolutely not the fault of those refusing to surrender their earned time off (regardless of financial recompense) that the service is failing.

You are in full Tory here.
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virginton has a swing and a miss regarding ASLEF going on regular strikes,  1982 was the last ASLEF strike in Scotland, it was over rostering practices. RMT on the other hand,well you’re right if you’re talking about them.

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8 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

As I have said before, if you have evidence for B, I'm sure Scotgov and Scotrail would like to hear it, so that they could save the people in question.

Otherwise, you should probably stop accusing people of taking wildcat industrial action because you don't like the fact that the timetable has been revised downwards as a direct result of there not being enough staff to safely cover the job.


Mandating overtime is not safe. The correct number of people employed to cover the safety critical roles, using normal working hours/patterns IS safe. It is absolutely not the fault of those refusing to surrender their earned time off (regardless of financial recompense) that the service is failing.

You are in full Tory here.

Why are ASLEF saying there would be no need for the timetable cuts if Scotrail come up with a decent pay offer? Are you suggesting overtime is unsafe and should be banned?

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10 minutes ago, HI HAT said:

Sorry, Auto correct, virginton swing and miss

 

8 minutes ago, HI HAT said:

Bloody thing did it again, virginton

 

7 minutes ago, HI HAT said:

Damn it, you know who I mean.

^^^ swing and a miss.

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13 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Why are ASLEF saying there would be no need for the timetable cuts if Scotrail come up with a decent pay offer? Are you suggesting overtime is unsafe and should be banned?

No, I'm saying it's less safe than having the correct number of trained drivers, and that it is absolutely voluntary and should never, ever, be expected as a keystone of running an adequate and safe service. I'm also saying no staff member should have any weight of expectation whatsoever placed on them re working more than their contracted hours. .

And finally, the buck for any failure to provide the required amd contracted service due to staff shortage, 100% (and thats key here, its one hundred per cent) stops with the employer, not the employee. 

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