invergowrie arab Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 11 hours ago, oaksoft said: And you also have guys at the bottom doing the bare minimum and yet expecting to take home the same pay rise as those who work harder and that is even more common. Piss taking works both ways. Leave aside the fairness of things for a second. Wage levels are set by the market. If lots of companies want your skills and only a handful of people have those skills then you're going to be able to command a higher wage than those who have skills which are either non-existent or ten-a-penny. For example, if I live in a remote area and need roofing work done and only you are available as a roofer in that area then you can charge whatever you like and I have zero choice. It's why CEOs earn so much for example. A bad CEO can close your company down almost overnight. A good CEO is rarer than hen's teeth. It's a very difficult job to do properly and only a handful of people can do it. It might not seem fair but as I've said before that if it's fairness you are demanding you're going to be seriously disappointed in life. The last paragraph is nonsense. CEOs are utterly dispensible which is why they are dispensed with so often. Usually as the first course of action in the face of trouble. Companies can do this as there is a mandarin class of CEOs of FTSE 500 companies and another will be along in minute. It's a conceit that everyone at board level is in on. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 28 minutes ago, oaksoft said: Spoken like a person who has never tried to hire one. Wrong. Unlucky 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted July 10, 2022 Share Posted July 10, 2022 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotownClic Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 The drivers have accepted Scotrails pay offer 60% to 40% 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 ScotRail said if drivers begin doing overtime again a full timetable could return within 10 days. Presumably that'll be the proper 2019 style timetable rather than the kiddy-on "full timetable" they were running earlier this year which had significantly less trains than the good old days? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 Be absolute banter if they still decide to not work rest days and the service remains not fit for purpose, just more expensive to run. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingscot Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 46 minutes ago, Marshmallo said: ScotRail said if drivers begin doing overtime again a full timetable could return within 10 days. Presumably that'll be the proper 2019 style timetable rather than the kiddy-on "full timetable" they were running earlier this year which had significantly less trains than the good old days? I would think it reverts to the May 2022 timetable with all the cuts in it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 11 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Be absolute banter if they still decide to not work rest days and the service remains not fit for purpose, just more expensive to run. Surely management would have ensured that did not happen? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 24 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said: Surely management would have ensured that did not happen? How do you propose they would have done that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 10 days to go "Are you all working over time?" "Aye" "Right sound I'll dig out the time tables" Seems efficient. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 You know fine well it wasn't all about pay (it's been posted numerous times). Stop playing these silly games. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 1 hour ago, oaksoft said: Makes you wonder if all the disruption and the loss of pay by being on strike was worth it given that they could have had 4.2% almost 2 months ago. For someone on £50k all the disruption has earned them just £33 a month before tax and NI. Was it really worth it for under £20 a month net or just over a tenner a month net for someone on £20k ? The Football Factory - _Was it worth it__ [HD]_1_1.mp4 Actual footage of the train drivers being able to afford an extra round a month 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 You know fine well it wasn't all about pay (it's been posted numerous times). Stop playing these silly games.Yip the headline pay rise is just part of the settlement. They have got themselves a good deal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 3 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: 16 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: You know fine well it wasn't all about pay (it's been posted numerous times). Stop playing these silly games. Yip the headline pay rise is just part of the settlement. They have got themselves a good deal. Yup. Obviously pay was a significant part of it, but not all of it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotownClic Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 2 hours ago, oaksoft said: Makes you wonder if all the disruption and the loss of pay by being on strike was worth it given that they could have had 4.2% almost 2 months ago. For someone on £50k all the disruption has earned them just £33 a month before tax and NI. Was it really worth it for under £20 a month net or just over a tenner a month net for someone on £20k ? Except no one went on strike and the 5% is backdated to April. So is the £195 monthly target bonus. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbigal Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 Presumably when all the newly trained drivers hit the tracks in due course, then overtime (which I assume has a premium) will be binned ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thistle_do_nicely Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 (edited) On 10/07/2022 at 11:11, invergowrie arab said: The last paragraph is nonsense. CEOs are utterly dispensible which is why they are dispensed with so often. Usually as the first course of action in the face of trouble. Companies can do this as there is a mandarin class of CEOs of FTSE 500 companies and another will be along in minute. It's a conceit that everyone at board level is in on. Yea, the p&o ferries debacle seems like a good recent example. Politicians get to look tough for the cameras and grill an executive, executive eats the shit and admits they didnt care about legal obligations to consult unions, exec either survives and continues to coin it in or gets a great payoff for falling on their sword and still coins it in. They shrug it off alan partridge style and move on to the next racket. Corporate manslaughter is arguably an exception to the """risks""" they take as no-one really wants that on their cv but afaik its pretty rare for anyone to ever get charged with it in the uk. Edited July 11, 2022 by Thistle_do_nicely 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 For someone on £50k all the disruption has earned them just £33 a month before tax and NI. Lol wut? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 Without bothering my arse to do too much digging, how the f**k has the dispute been resolved with Scotrail still reliant on overtime? Surely the main aim from their point of view would be to implement a 7 day modern rota? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 5% which they accepted instead of 4.2% which they rejected 2 months ago is a difference of 0.8% 0.8% of £50k is £400 per year or £33 per month. On £50k all of that increase will be taxed at 40% with NI thrown in. What did I miss?Got you. Though if it's a case of just an extra £33 a month it makes you wonder why folk were getting their knickers in such a twist when the 4.2% was knocked back. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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