sophia Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 10 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said: Nurses wouldn't get paid more if train drivers were paid less. It's ridiculous to compare salaries. I didn't say they would and no it is not. Would you now like to clarify why it is "pretty clear why a lot of drivers have stopped doing OT"? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said: 12 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: It was the bloke Hogg, the union organiser, I heard make the comparison on Radio Scotland yesterday. I don't think he should be the spokesman. He's the RMT guy. Is he the guy that comes across as really thick? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, sophia said: I didn't say they would and no it is not. Would you now like to clarify why it is "pretty clear why a lot of drivers have stopped doing OT"? I'd hazard a guess that the old guys who negotiated the OT deal are gone and have been replaced by guys earning a higher salary and can live quite comfortably on the basic pay. The emphasis has changed from securing more money, to doing less work. Not saying it's wrong, just an observation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 I didn't say they would and no it is not. Would you now like to clarify why it is "pretty clear why a lot of drivers have stopped doing OT"?Explain to me why it is. Maybe go and have a look at Scotrail's tweets from a couple of weeks ago. I expect that's played a major part. And the responses from the public would suggest it won't be an entirely one sided opinion from the public like you suggest either. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 1 minute ago, johnnydun said: Is he the guy that comes across as really thick? Aye. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 Just now, Sergeant Wilson said: Aye. Yeah, he should definitely not be a spokesman. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said: Explain to me why it is. Maybe go and have a look at Scotrail's tweets from a couple of weeks ago. I expect that's played a major part. And the responses from the public would suggest it won't be an entirely one sided opinion from the public like you suggest either. I'm not fussed about looking at historical tweets. I simply asked about why it is "pretty clear why a lot of drivers have stopped doing OT". Are you able to articulate this? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 10 hours ago, Zen Archer (Raconteur) said: Spent longer than I should've trying to work this out, at first I thought it was 'Ming Rolls'. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 I'm not fussed about looking at historical tweets. I simply asked about why it is "pretty clear why a lot of drivers have stopped doing OT". Are you able to articulate this? I've given you an answer. If you can't be bothered going to look and put 2 and 2 together then I doubt you're that interested in the answer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 19 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said: 23 minutes ago, sophia said: I'm not fussed about looking at historical tweets. I simply asked about why it is "pretty clear why a lot of drivers have stopped doing OT". Are you able to articulate this? I've given you an answer. If you can't be bothered going to look and put 2 and 2 together then I doubt you're that interested in the answer. No, no you have not but if you cannot defend it, that's ok but be aware I'm the person on the Clapham omnibus (probably not driven by someone getting £50k) that is taking a view on this 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert Raccoon Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 Give footballers train drivers wages or something like that 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 No, no you have not but if you cannot defend it, that's ok but be aware I'm the person on the Clapham omnibus (probably not driven by someone getting £50k) that is taking a view on this People choosing to take their days off doesn't require defending m8. It will naturally divide opinion. Pay disputes always will. But if you ever decide to look at the tweets I've told you to you'll see some reasoned views about it and not the daft "but but Nurses!?!" argument. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmic Joe Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 8 minutes ago, Bert Raccoon said: Give footballers train drivers wages or something like that Causing unrest at Kelty Hearts, Queen's Park and Cove Rangers? Good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Brazil Forever Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 17 minutes ago, sophia said: No, no you have not but if you cannot defend it, that's ok but be aware I'm the person on the Clapham omnibus (probably not driven by someone getting £50k) that is taking a view on this Is that because there are no trains for you to catch ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'WellDel Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 When it comes to pay rises etc, comparing professions and salaries is utterly pointless. It doesn't matter who you are, what you do, or what you're paid. Everyone should be entitled to remuneration that at least matches the rise in cost of living, and anyone who has any form of bargaining power in these negotiations should absolutely be trying to get themselves that as a minimum. Anything less is a loss in real terms. Doesn't matter if you earn £20k or £50k, and it doesn't matter if you work for the NHS, fly a plane, or collect bull semen for a living. People live to their means with mortgages and car finance or whatever, and fill their cars and heat their homes with the same rocketing fuels as everyone else. The minimum you should expect is a rise that ensures your money holds the same value year on year. The offer being discussed here doesn't come close to that. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Sergeant Wilson said: I'd hazard a guess that the old guys who negotiated the OT deal are gone and have been replaced by guys earning a higher salary and can live quite comfortably on the basic pay. The emphasis has changed from securing more money, to doing less work. Not saying it's wrong, just an observation. Interesting take but businesses would rather pay OT than give another person the job the pay is irrelevant. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 1 hour ago, johnnydun said: Is he the guy that comes across as really thick? Every second syllable was "eh". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 40 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said: People choosing to take their days off doesn't require defending m8. They're effectively working to rule to force a better pay deal, which they're quite entitled to do. Doesn't mean that they won't deservedly catch some of the blame for the disruption. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 They're effectively working to rule to force a better pay deal, which they're quite entitled to do. Doesn't mean that they won't deservedly catch some of the blame for the disruption.Workers don't deserve blame for taking their days off in any industry. 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 54 minutes ago, 'WellDel said: Doesn't matter if you earn £20k or £50k, and it doesn't matter if you work for the NHS, fly a plane, or collect bull semen for a living. People live to their means with mortgages and car finance or whatever, and fill their cars and heat their homes with the same rocketing fuels as everyone else. The minimum you should expect is a rise that ensures your money holds the same value year on year. The world's smallest violin is playing over here, for anyone on £50k a year who chose to put themselves up to their eyeballs with mortgage payments and car finance. They should have used some of that money to build up a healthy buffer against the rising cost of living instead. That's basic financial prudence. A question that you don't address is where is the money coming from to now hike their wages to £55k fully in line with the cost of living - as opposed to a more modest increase that closes the gap with the average employee. Ultimately the rest of society pays for that through government funding - or, in this case, even higher fares - as well as even more price inflation. It absolutely does matter what the starting salary is then. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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