Detournement Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 47 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said: It takes months to train new drivers, there has been a shortage of them for years, yet it's the SNP's fault that it's finally came to a head after.. 7 weeks of public ownership? It's not like they had zero influence over Scotrail prior to this year. Having enough drivers for the railway to function should have been a stipulation of any contract between Holyrood and the private sector. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 The Covid is excuse is a load of pish as well. If every takeaway in Scotland can have their kitchen running then Scotrail can train new drivers. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelmen Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 We were in Glasgow for a concert last night and the amount of trains cancelled between Edinburgh and Glasgow was scary and this was during 'rush' hour. On the way through the ticket guy, who never really checked tickets, announced that as of Monday it is an emergency timetable being implemented. I have no idea whose fault it is but this is going to make travelling by train worse than ever and will put people of even trying it if they have an alternative. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 Why should it take 18months to train a driver? Doesnt strike me as rocket science. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, AsimButtHitsASix said: It takes months to train new drivers, there has been a shortage of them for years, yet it's the SNP's fault that it's finally came to a head after.. 7 weeks of public ownership? Previously the Scottish Government deferred things to Transport Scotland who deferred things to Scotrail. If you query an MSP they defer to Transport Scotland who in turn write to tell you it’s up to Scotrail to sort. It never gets sorted. This is government in Scotland. It’s not very good. I am an independence supporter who will no longer vote SNP. The SNP have been in complete control of Scotland since 2011 so it’s right that they are getting criticism. Edited May 20, 2022 by Scary Bear 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 22 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said: Why should it take 18months to train a driver? Doesnt strike me as rocket science. Nicely done. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanhourjoe Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 2 hours ago, 19QOS19 said: 2 hours ago, Lurkst said: Where do I sign up? To any other TOC who pay far more than that... Do they? I can't imagine in any other country, that actually has a decent train service. Drivers get anywhere close to that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 41 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said: Why should it take 18months to train a driver? Doesnt strike me as rocket science. I beg to differ... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19QOS19 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 Do they? I can't imagine in any other country, that actually has a decent train service. Drivers get anywhere close to that.Scotrail drivers are the lowest paid by quite some distance tbh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post VincentGuerin Posted May 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 20, 2022 Same old same old and the results of running everything in society as a vehicle for profit rather than the benefit of the people who live in the society. A transport system is not a vehicle for profit. It's a public service. A house is not an investment opportunity. It's a fucking home for someone to live in. University courses are not an opportunity to skim as much money off the population as possible. They are for education and public development and should be accessible. Amazing that we put up with this shite. But we do, and we will continue to do so. We've got the world backwards and upside down. 21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 Why, when you buy a ticket on the application, do you then need to download it, then activate it? Surely that should be done automatically? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 10 minutes ago, DiegoDiego said: Why, when you buy a ticket on the application, do you then need to download it, then activate it? Surely that should be done automatically? If you don't activate it you can get a refund if you don't use it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 If you don't activate it you can get a refund if you don't use it.I figured there might be something like that, What about the download part though? Why would you not download it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 28 minutes ago, DiegoDiego said: 33 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: If you don't activate it you can get a refund if you don't use it. I figured there might be something like that, What about the download part though? Why would you not download it? I've no idea. I've never noticed that before tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 This is how trade unions worked under Franco and Mussolini. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 31 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Labour are a joke right now but deaffliating is a huge step and I think presently staying in is clearly the least worst option for trade unions. As far as industrial action goes it would be well justified by real terms wage cuts and the SNP clearly looking to scale down rail travel in Scotland. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Detournement said: Labour are a joke right now but deaffliating is a huge step and I think presently staying in is clearly the least worst option for trade unions. As far as industrial action goes it would be well justified by real terms wage cuts and the SNP clearly looking to scale down rail travel in Scotland. They're scaling down rail travel because A. They've they've inherited a company without enough drivers, and B. The drivers union is encouraging their members not to cover the shortage. Anything that makes the SG look bad is good for Labour. Labour have been actively supporting Conservative rule in Scottish Councils as the better option than sharing power with the SNP. Edited May 20, 2022 by welshbairn 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 First it was the ferries, now it's the trains. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HI HAT Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 OK then, Scotrail is renationalised, this is what the branch office of Labour wanted for years, what would Labour have done differently than the present Scottish government has done ?? All previous franchise holders negotiated with the rail unions and everybody seemed happy with the way things were going until nationalisation exposed the driver shortages for everyone to see. Scotrail for years was the only company up here training drivers, other companies poached trained drivers to fill their driver vacancies. LNER, XCOUNTRY, TPE, AVANTI WEST COAST all poached drivers from Scotrail all offering better salaries and a less intensive way of working, fewer stops. The question Labour and the tories and the rest have to answer is, what would you have done differently?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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