pollokfan87 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 scotzine report that change is needed in junior football or it will die. worth a read http://www.scotzine.com/2016/01/junior-football-needs-to-evolve-or-it-will-die/# Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Second Andy Goram Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 scotzine report that change is needed in junior football or it will die. worth a read http://www.scotzine.com/2016/01/junior-football-needs-to-evolve-or-it-will-die/# Those two things do not usually go together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cotter Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 A personally think,, the lowland league,will be stronger than the juniors in the next few years,,and also think there should be a pyramid system for the top juniors ,,,,if I had a vote,, a would vote for ants, to go lowland league,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talbot Bing Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 I think Alexander Allan made a couple of good points about facilities. But Petershill apparently has all the mod cons but it is one of the most soulless grounds to visit. However him dissing the quote of " I'm a juniors fan/man" is in my opinion off the mark because football is all about business at the top. Community and contribution is Junior football. To let the Talbot and Linlithgow Rose to leave and go up the ladder is concerning. Just look at Celtic and Rangers if they were to leave the SPL. I could go on but am sure others want to give opinion as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talbot Bing Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 A personally think,, the lowland league,will be stronger than the juniors in the next few years,,and also think there should be a pyramid system for the top juniors ,,,,if I had a vote,, a would vote for ants, to go lowland league,, The LL doesn't have a fanbase, at the central belt area anyway. In my opinion The SFA should have made the Juniors the next tier to the top level. Missed chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanburn Dave Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Comparing Talbot and the Rose to the Old Firm is a bit extreme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillonearth Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Odd piece, and I'm not sure exactly what point he's trying to make apart from the fact he seems to love the word "sadly." Seems to be advocating a handful of larger clubs either emulating or joining the Lowland League as some sort of cure for all the ills of the Junior game - do that, and the crowds will come flooding back - newsflash: barring a couple of high-profile Cup ties, that's not really happened for the existing LL teams - I've been to most of the LL grounds and crowds are comfortably sub-100 at the majority. Bottom line is attendances right across football are declining as there are more ways to spend your leisure time than ever before. Away from the very top end of the Juniors, he doesn't seem to have much idea - or care - what happens to the remaining 150-odd clubs, apart from some vague stuff about finding their level in the amateurs or chucking it altogether such is their futility. Having claimed to have been on a Junior committee, he appears not too knowledgeable about the grade...sadly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stm Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 According to the article there is nothing worse than hearing the term "I'm a junior man". I'm sure cancer sufferers will disagree with this selfish viewpoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talbot Bing Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Comparing Talbot and the Rose to the Old Firm is a bit extreme.I meant in perspective mate. No offence to other teams. Just that Talbot/Gow seem to be the big two at the moment. Could be any other teams next year. I was getting at the fact that this guy seems to think we should let the bigger junior teams move on I disagree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talbot Bing Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Odd piece, and I'm not sure exactly what point he's trying to make apart from the fact he seems to love the word "sadly." Seems to be advocating a handful of larger clubs either emulating or joining the Lowland League as some sort of cure for all the ills of the Junior game - do that, and the crowds will come flooding back - newsflash: barring a couple of high-profile Cup ties, that's not really happened for the existing LL teams - I've been to most of the LL grounds and crowds are comfortably sub-100 at the majority. Bottom line is attendances right across football are declining as there are more ways to spend your leisure time than ever before. Away from the very top end of the Juniors, he doesn't seem to have much idea - or care - what happens to the remaining 150-odd clubs, apart from some vague stuff about finding their level in the amateurs or chucking it altogether such is their futility. Having claimed to have been on a Junior committee, he appears not too knowledgeable about the grade...sadly! Great response and I couldn't agree more mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hertha/BJFC1938 Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 scotzine report that change is needed in junior football or it will die. worth a read http://www.scotzine.com/2016/01/junior-football-needs-to-evolve-or-it-will-die/# Outstanding piece of journalism and a very enjoyable read . I 100% agree with the author . Well worded piece . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macintosh Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 No just junior football that needs to evolve. The highland/lowland league pyramid produced Brora Rangers as the challengers to join the 4th tier of Scottish football last season after defeating Edinburgh City in the first playoff. Before their final playoff v Montrose, Brora top brass openly admitted that promotion to Div 2 was all wrong for them financially, it was basically a non-starter. No sure if Edinburgh City would have welcomed the opportunity or not? Posted from mobile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KilsythCoyle Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Quite a doom and gloom report from this guy. Disagree with a lot he has to say. He seems to forget about the amount of positives there are in the juniors. Everyone's entitled to an opinion and he can keep his IMO lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali_Wee_Jag Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 No just junior football that needs to evolve. The highland/lowland league pyramid produced Brora Rangers as the challengers to join the 4th tier of Scottish football last season after defeating Edinburgh City in the first playoff. Before their final playoff v Montrose, Brora top brass openly admitted that promotion to Div 2 was all wrong for them financially, it was basically a non-starter. No sure if Edinburgh City would have welcomed the opportunity or not? Posted from mobile The Edinburgh City lads are desperate to get into the SPFL League 2. Being old Meadowbank fans, it's where they believe their home is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowcard Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Do away with league cup , and have a top league of 16 for starters with playoffs , need to spice up the end of season games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Quite a doom and gloom report from this guy. Disagree with a lot he has to say. He seems to forget about the amount of positives there are in the juniors. Everyone's entitled to an opinion and he can keep his IMO lol! If you can set out some positives I'd love to read them because I can't think of many, if any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fan of the juniors Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Think this equates to the whole of Scottish football especially the attendance factor as all you have to do is look at Celtic Park every other week. A half empty stadium is a common occurrence throughout the senior leagues & not just the juniors Kids ain't interested in going to games there as well as here At Kilbirnie we are 1 if the lucky clubs where we still get a lot of youth & kids following the club & at half time kids are still on the park playing . Facilities are getting upgraded all the time & we have good facilities re food & toilet & 2 covered stands . Teams have always fell by the wayside from Third Lanark to Meadowbank & latterly Clydebank , Airdrie & Gretna so it's not just a junior problem . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nugent4nil Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Baws! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surely not! Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Think this equates to the whole of Scottish football especially the attendance factor as all you have to do is look at Celtic Park every other week. A half empty stadium is a common occurrence throughout the senior leagues & not just the juniors Kids ain't interested in going to games there as well as here At Kilbirnie we are 1 if the lucky clubs where we still get a lot of youth & kids following the club & at half time kids are still on the park playing . Facilities are getting upgraded all the time & we have good facilities re food & toilet & 2 covered stands . Teams have always fell by the wayside from Third Lanark to Meadowbank & latterly Clydebank , Airdrie & Gretna so it's not just a junior problem . Saw someone on Twitter state that due to the ryanair sale he could get to yesterday's barca game from glasgow and then get in for the same amount as it would have cost him to get from Glasgow to and then get into the stenny-Brechin game. Absolute madness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drs Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 What an absolute clusterfuck of an article, I'd be embarrassed to have written that or to actually post a link to it. "why should Linlithgow Rose spend a fortune on getting licenced only to have the same say as lowly Coupar Angus" Did the halfwit who wrote that know anything about Scottish Football and the voting structure, if for example the Rose were to join the LL and progress into the SPFL is it right that lowly Linlithgow Rose have the same say as the bigot brothers? Is that what the writer is actually expecting to happen? Shit, bumper crowds are gone - I hadn't noticed that at all over the past 35 years, attendances at every level of football are lower than they were in the halcyon days of post war Britain. "Kids get screamed at if they run on the pitch" - aye and they would get lifted if they tried it at any SPFL ground, again the writer doesn't seem to have any actual understanding of football at different levels and I also must have missed all of the things that kids can do at the likes of Montrose, East Stirling and Dundee United. The East Super League team went out of existence for well documented reasons, to wrongly lump them in with the piss poor argument being made once more shows the writer to be a complete moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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