Bankies Alive Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 If the EoS and SoS Leagues are seen as tier 6 and the Juniors are nothing then why do the SFA allocate assistant refs to Junior games and not to those 2 prestigious leagues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mantis Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 If the EoS and SoS Leagues are seen as tier 6 and the Juniors are nothing then why do the SFA allocate assistant refs to Junior games and not to those 2 prestigious leagues? Obviously they're needed in the Juniors to keep an eye out for all the tripping and punching behind the ref's back Seriously though, not sure you're right. When WW were in the EOS we had linesmen for league games, while I'm sure Bonnyrigg down the road never did. However HJ will be along shortly so I'll let him answer it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 It's because the Juniors are so awesome, IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 He raises a good point (though not one actually relevant to determining the levels of the leagues); if the Juniors don't wish to take their rightful place - inserted at the very bottom of the current food chain as the football equivalent of plankton - then the SFA should stop allocating and bar any of its officials from refereeing their matches. Stop pandering to the footballing plankton and start taking away their privileges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bankies Alive Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 It's because the Juniors are so awesome, IIRC. Must be because no SoS or EoS league games have assistants. Kind of sums up the whole mess the SFA have created. They know that the top Juniors are a light year ahead of the EoS and SoS leagues hence the allocation of officials yet they have said that those 2 leagues are level 6 even though the majority of teams in them are nowhere near licensed either! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surely not! Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 If the EoS and SoS Leagues are seen as tier 6 and the Juniors are nothing then why do the SFA allocate assistant refs to Junior games and not to those 2 prestigious leagues? They don't. They perhaps allocate them to the junior cup but there are a number of complaints on this site about the lack of linesmen in super league games so it can't be a universal thing. There's nothing to stop teams at these levels from employing proper linesmen fro their matches but often there's a dearth of available officials, or worse, neither team wants to pay the costs attached(believe they're split). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel hutz Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Must be because no SoS or EoS league games have assistants. Kind of sums up the whole mess the SFA have created. They know that the top Juniors are a light year ahead of the EoS and SoS leagues hence the allocation of officials yet they have said that those 2 leagues are level 6 even though the majority of teams in them are nowhere near licensed either! In all fairness Rangers were the only club outside the SPL to be given a fourth official at matches, when they were in tier 4. Edit: Awful strange for a brand new club in the League, don't remember Annan getting that treatment IIRC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 In all fairness Rangers were the only club outside the SPL to be given a fourth official at matches, when they were in tier 4. Edit: Awful strange for a brand new club in the League, don't remember Annan getting that treatment IIRC This is a myth. The only lower league matches which are given fourth officials are those which are televised. So there were fourth officials for all of Rangers' TV games in Division 3, but not for their run of the mill matches. This applies to other clubs in the lower leagues too - for example Morton v Raith was on BBC Alba in December, and had a fourth official. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel hutz Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 This is a myth. The only lower league matches which are given fourth officials are those which are televised. So there were fourth officials for all of Rangers' TV games in Division 3, but not for their run of the mill matches. This applies to other clubs in the lower leagues too - for example Morton v Raith was on BBC Alba in December, and had a fourth official. Still most of Rangers' games though, at least 20 in Div 3 were on Sky/BT. I imagine that Rangers were the only club outside of the SPL in 2012-13 that had any Televised matches. But Yeah, I get your point about Televised games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surely not! Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 This is a myth. The only lower league matches which are given fourth officials are those which are televised. So there were fourth officials for all of Rangers' TV games in Division 3, but not for their run of the mill matches. This applies to other clubs in the lower leagues too - for example Morton v Raith was on BBC Alba in December, and had a fourth official. What's the theory behind that? If the games on TV they're far more likely to kick off in each dugout? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel hutz Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 What's the theory behind that? If the games on TV they're far more likely to kick off in each dugout? I think it would be slightly embarrassing for the SPFL/SFL/SFA if there is a match live on TV and there is no 4th official. Paints the Scottish Championship as a diddy league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 He raises a good point (though not one actually relevant to determining the levels of the leagues); if the Juniors don't wish to take their rightful place - inserted at the very bottom of the current food chain as the football equivalent of plankton - then the SFA should stop allocating and bar any of its officials from refereeing their matches. Stop pandering to the footballing plankton and start taking away their privileges. Some of that plankton has managed to float into the last 16 of the Cup attracting 4 figure home attendances in the process, including double what Forfar managed in the replay. Go plankton! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 In televised games they have a fourth official in case one of the others gets injured. Also makes it easier with substitutions, displaying added time, etc. There are actually a few assistants in SOSL, IIRC, but they are appointed under local arrangements (same as North Junior Superleagues). There is a regular allocation of assistants to West+East Junior Superleagues but they don't cover every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Suspect what makes a difference on assistants is who is willing to consistently pay for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mantis Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 No option in the LL. Ref & 2 passive assistants paid by the home team. EOSFA competitions, away team pays 1 passive plooky flag waving youth/youthette and home team foots the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Clubs don't have a choice in the Senior leagues. Assistants are mandatory in SPFL/LL/HL (and Womens SPL) - that's why home club pays both - and must be taken where available in EOSL/SOSL. In the Juniors it's "optional" below the Superleagues, IIRC, but it's rare to unknown for any to reach the districts. Indeed, not all ER or WR 1st Superleague games are covered now. There was a thread about it all a while ago in the Junior sub-forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcastle broon Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 EOSFA competitions, away team pays 1 passive plooky flag waving youth/youthette and home team foots the rest. Tommy Ward is hardly youthful poor guy was absolutely soaked through when Strollers knocked us oot cup at muirhoose earlier this season. One of very few occasions I haven't seen an assistant on either touchline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabidAl Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Yes... If either EOSL or SOSL champion is licensed, they are promoted and bottom of LL is relegated. If both are licensed they playoff. It is more likely from this season as several EOSL/SOSL clubs are licensed. If they could make even just a wee change to relegation from/promotion to the SPFL for next season, I'd like to see them do something similar this. One automatic relegation spot, with the LL & HL winners playing off for direct promotion. Even one automatic promotion or relegation place legitimises the 'pyramid' at any level. If no clubs change tiers in a given season, it's no a pyramid. (And it wouldn't be as messy as trying to accommodate several relegated teams, but which would be better still). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surely not! Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 If they could make even just a wee change to relegation from/promotion to the SPFL for next season, I'd like to see them do something similar this. One automatic relegation spot, with the LL & HL winners playing off for direct promotion. Even one automatic promotion or relegation place legitimises the 'pyramid' at any level. If no clubs change tiers in a given season, it's no a pyramid. (And it wouldn't be as messy as trying to accommodate several relegated teams, but which would be better still). You're spot on. I think both the city and brora managers said as much last season before the play off games. Essentially the team at the bottom of league two just has to avoid losing on aggregate in two games all year to maintain status in the league. Even two draws and a pen win in the playoff would be enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grazza Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Would be an easier sell if the bottom tier of the SPFL had more teams. If say they went to 3 tiers instead of 4 then say a bottom SPFL league of 16-18 teams surely then you automatically promote both LL and HL champs with maybe some sort of play off for another spot. Not really sure the politics of it but always seems to be really only top tier restructuring that gets much talk but why not a tier 3 and 4 merger or change in numbers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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