ICTChris Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-35160396 This will now be referred back to the Scottish courts but it looks to be a victory for the Scotch Whisky Association. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Stephen McGowan @LicensingLaws European Court of Justice rules Scottish Government cannot introduce minimum alcohol pricing | Nicola Sturgeon @NicolaSturgeon 36m36 minutes ago Nicola Sturgeon Retweeted Stephen McGowan No, it doesn't. It sets out tests national court needs to apply. We think those tests can be passed We really do have a simply first-class, First Minister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Just seen that. ^ I'm as big as an SNP fan boy as there is but I really don't agree with them here, people need educated, trying to put them off/stop them due to cost isn't the right way to go surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-35160396 This will now be referred back to the Scottish courts but it looks to be a victory for the Scotch Whisky Association. Looks like the only alternative available to the Scottish Government given that duty is reserved. I can see the SG lobbying for it to get devolved now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rational Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Make it cheaper in the pubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 ImageUploadedByPie & Bovril1450866960.239001.jpg Just seen that. ^ I'm as big as an SNP fan boy as there is but I really don't agree with them here, people need educated, trying to put them off/stop them due to cost isn't the right way to go surely? Don't call me Shirley but, the booze industry don't help themselves. Putting "please drink responsibly" on adverts achieves hee-haw and it is not simply the producers it's the vendors (which are in each others pockets). Not wedded to the idea of min pricing but if we are getting cuts to councils, community services (investment in which I reckon would be a better answer) courtesy of Westminster, min pricing I think is a good option. It really shouldn't be possible to get absolutely jaked on under a tenner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Make it cheaper in the pubs. As you can see from the following graph, it isn't difficult to see where the problem with cheap alcohol is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WullieBroonIsGod Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Don't call me Shirley but, the booze industry don't help themselves. Putting "please drink responsibly" on adverts achieves hee-haw and it is not simply the producers it's the vendors (which are in each others pockets). Not wedded to the idea of min pricing but if we are getting cuts to councils, community services (investment in which I reckon would be a better answer) courtesy of Westminster, min pricing I think is a good option. It really shouldn't be possible to get absolutely jaked on under a tenner. This, absolutely! Scotland has an awful relationship with alcohol. I know social issues are at the heart of many problems and there's no quick fix for this, but buckfast, super strength ciders, Special Brew and the purple Tennents bring nothing but despair to communities and families. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 It really shouldn't be possible to get absolutely jaked on under a tenner.First part I agree with. But how much extra money is it really going to end up costing you to buy a bottle of vodka after the minimum pricing comes in? Can't be much at all? You'll still be getting 'absolutely jaked' off a relatively small amount of money. Eta: minimum a 70 could sell for under new laws is £14, what's the cheapest out there at the moment? £8/£9 maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 First part I agree with. But how much extra money is it really going to end up costing you to buy a bottle of vodka after the minimum pricing comes in? Can't be much at all? You'll still be getting 'absolutely jaked' off a relatively small amount of money. Eta: minimum a 70 could sell for under new laws is £14, what's the cheapest out there at the moment? £8/£9 maybe? It is aimed mostly at the cheap drinks such as cider. For example at asda you can get 2l of cider for £2.25 which would increase to £4.23 under minimum pricing. ETA: Tesco has cider at £2 which would cost £4.50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 MUP is a fantastically regressive policy which would drive more people in Scotland into poverty, so this is great news. Beer is even cheaper in Holland than in the UK (staggeringly so, if you're willing to put in the effort of recycling bottles), but oddly men live beyond 60 here. It isn't because the Dutch are somehow magically immune to the evils of drink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 MUP is a fantastically regressive policy which would drive more people in Scotland into poverty, so this is great news. Beer is even cheaper in Holland than in the UK (staggeringly so, if you're willing to put in the effort of recycling bottles), but oddly men live beyond 60 here. It isn't because the Dutch are somehow magically immune to the evils of drink. No one is forced to purchase alcohol, there are plenty of alternatives. If you are driven to poverty due to your alcohol consumption then you really should be re-evaluating your priorities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Disappointing that no one has busted out the gem* about alcohol being cheaper than water * And by 'gem' I mean 'lie' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Hope the SNP succeed with this before we're drowning in cheap booze, use the cash to save future generations then we can all worry about getting cheaper booze. Nicola really needs to take a different course from Westminster on gambling, booze and drugs if/when she can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingscot Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 I often take the train into Glasgow on a Friday and Saturday night. Usually the trains around early evening have at least a group of folk with some Buckie going into Town for a night out. If it isn't Buckie it will be MD20/20, or lassies downing Koppelberg or that Purple Strongbow stuff. Problem being that Buckfast- which is apparently "mentioned in a huge number of crime reports"- is already beyond the scope of minimum pricing. Personally I think it is a rubbish policy. It's from the 'won't someone please think of the children' pot. It isn't going to change much and ignores the social problems in many problem drinkers. Don't call me Shirley but, the booze industry don't help themselves. Putting "please drink responsibly" on adverts achieves hee-haw and it is not simply the producers it's the vendors (which are in each others pockets). Not wedded to the idea of min pricing but if we are getting cuts to councils, community services (investment in which I reckon would be a better answer) courtesy of Westminster, min pricing I think is a good option.It really shouldn't be possible to get absolutely jaked on under a tenner. Shouldn't the SNP just end the Council Tax freeze allowing councils to raise additional money to protect services? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P45 Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Disappointing that no one has busted out the gem* about alcohol being cheaper than water It tastes better too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Stubbs Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Don't really agree with this but an alcohol lobby throwing their weight around sticks in the throat a little bit. As does our (post powerful devolved in the world) parliament being toothless to implement a tax-based alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Shouldn't the SNP just end the Council Tax freeze allowing councils to raise additional money to protect services? Possibly, but do you really want tax varying powers in the hands of cooncillors, most of which have a ridiculous level of debt, pension holes and their block grant just slashed by WM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 It pisses me off that the EU can intervene in what is essentially a health issue. Taxation is the tool but health is the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted December 23, 2015 Share Posted December 23, 2015 Back off Brussels!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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