Arabian_Viking Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Surely an expanded league should include the best / form teams... expand the playoffs to include 11h & 12th placed "Premiership" teams and let the best teams fill the extra places..?? Make it a mini-league if that is fairest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkboy Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Surely an expanded league should include the best / form teams... expand the playoffs to include 11h & 12th placed "Premiership" teams and let the best teams fill the extra places..?? Make it a mini-league if that is fairest. No, the 12th place team should absolutely be automatically relegated. Just give 2nd in the Championship an automatic promotion spot. (And the league shouldn't be expanded anyway) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desp Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Scottish football needs a strong Motherwell Tell us something we don't know, Mr Bairn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killiesquirrel Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 This argument has really interested me so I decided to put an article on my blog about it. Link here if anyone is interested. https://lochlinhighet.wordpress.com/2016/02/04/spfl-reconstruction-debate/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel hutz Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 This argument has really interested me so I decided to put an article on my blog about it. Link here if anyone is interested. https://lochlinhighet.wordpress.com/2016/02/04/spfl-reconstruction-debate/ I was more interested in the top 5 chippies in Killie post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueDiamond Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 The season tickets would have to be cheaper for 15 home games than they are for 19 home games now, so the clubs would still lose the revenue.It's an interesting concept. If and its a big if, the top league went to 16 then I would wager that many clubs would keep the season tickets at the same price and up the gate fee. So with less outgoings as suggested by Mark previously, then the financial impact is more likely to be loss of 'extra' income. Eg hospitality etc. Given the relatively small TV revenue that SPFL can sell our product for, then would the TV revenue reduce so significantly that it would break clubs? Or would a good salesman be able to sell the product for the same amount? Would a 16 club league provide greater excitement or interest amongst fans and other income streams, thus making the product more marketable? Whatever happens it will be interesting to see, but one thing needs to change and that's playing each other four time a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54_and_counting Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 It's an interesting concept. If and its a big if, the top league went to 16 then I would wager that many clubs would keep the season tickets at the same price and up the gate fee. So with less outgoings as suggested by Mark previously, then the financial impact is more likely to be loss of 'extra' income. Eg hospitality etc. would the fans put up with this though, following your team through thick and thin is one thing, but when clubs try to rip the arse out of it then it can royally f**k them up, especially as consistent mid table teams end up with their season being effectively over before march playing more teams less times is good for interest levels, but only if the games mean something, paying the same price for less games to watch the players go through the motions (to use a good old football cliche) could turn fans off ST's and start going on a game by game basis, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killiesquirrel Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 I was more interested in the top 5 chippies in Killie post that was a very spur of the moment article lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLichtie86 Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 It's an interesting concept. If and its a big if, the top league went to 16 then I would wager that many clubs would keep the season tickets at the same price and up the gate fee. So with less outgoings as suggested by Mark previously, then the financial impact is more likely to be loss of 'extra' income. Eg hospitality etc. Given the relatively small TV revenue that SPFL can sell our product for, then would the TV revenue reduce so significantly that it would break clubs? Or would a good salesman be able to sell the product for the same amount? Would a 16 club league provide greater excitement or interest amongst fans and other income streams, thus making the product more marketable? Whatever happens it will be interesting to see, but one thing needs to change and that's playing each other four time a season. Well each club in the 12 team top flight get something between £600000 and £700000 at the start of the season (4% each from the 82.25% TV/Sponsorship prize money pot) Increase it to 16 teams then either the prize money pot size needs to be increased (starving the remaining clubs outwith the top flight of much needed cash), or top flight clubs will have to start off with less money at the start of the season. Turkeys dont vote for christmas im afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Well each club in the 12 team top flight get something between £600000 and £700000 at the start of the season (4% each from the 82.25% TV/Sponsorship prize money pot) Increase it to 16 teams then either the prize money pot size needs to be increased (starving the remaining clubs outwith the top flight of much needed cash), or top flight clubs will have to start off with less money at the start of the season. Turkeys dont vote for christmas im afraid. All 42 SPFL clubs get prize money on a sliding scale. Increasing the league size would only require some small adjustments to the amounts offered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabidAl Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 ^ Yep. It's not a fixed pot for the top tier that would have to be divided 16 ways rather than 12; it's supposed to be divided on a percentage based on position in the SPFL as a whole rather than on an individual division. That said, they would have to do away with the drop of 2%-odd between 12th and 13th in the SPFL if it was to be a 16-team top division, but they should have done that anyway rather than just pay lip-service to an 'all-through' model. I don't know if much revenue would be lost from tv deals, etc with a move to 16, since there's been no OF league match to sell commercially for years and clubs are surviving okay. Clubs themselves are now all used to playing the OF only four times in a season (e.g. Celtic x4 for the top tier), and a 16-team top division including Rangers would offer continuity in that respect (Celtic x2, Rangers x2 for each club). The SPFL could still sell the 30 matches per season between the, er, 'big' six of OF, Edinburgh clubs, Aberdeen and United. This would also increase if they had an 8/8 split after 30 games, etc. I'd also add in a play-off ladder for Europe to keep the mid-table interesting. But the SPFL won't see it that way, which is why I was trying to figure out a way of giving the bigger clubs their 4 games against each other, whilst getting more clubs in the division and variety of fixtures for the rest (hence the 5/9 split). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLichtie86 Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Nope. Here is the breakdown of the prize money http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/aberdeen/1331865-spfl-sides-to-share-record-21m-prize-money-payout-in-201516-season/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabidAl Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Nope yersel'!. It's clearly based on a sliding scale. The diagram in that article only shows the top tier, but that doesn't mean that the dosh is a fixed pot for the top tier and then another for the rest (unless you're being very cynical, that is). Check the SPFL Articles of Association, pages 35-36, if you don't believe me. http://spfl.co.uk/docs/067_324__articlesofassociationofthescottishprofessionalfootballleaguelimitedasat1january2015_1420461960.pdf ---------------------------- The best idea on here was the 16-team league, 8/8 split, with a further game against a team from the other section (e.g. 1st vs 16th, 8th vs 9th, etc) for 4 homes/4aways post-split and 38 games in total. You might get the SPFL on board with that one, especially if you change that additional post-split game for a head-to-head with your nearest rival at the split - that way they'd probably have their 4 Old Firm games in a season, with 2 homes and 2 aways for each, and the fans would still have a bigger league, more variety in fixtures, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLichtie86 Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Clearly you didnt scroll down to the bottom of the page. The top teir gets 82.25% of all TV, Sponsorship and other revenue streams that go into the prize money pot. Top team gets 13.4% for finishing first. 12 team gets 4.5%. Tier 2 gets 12.05% of total pot. team 1 earns 2.25% and team 10 earns 0.7% Tier 3 and 4 share 5.7% on a sliding scale from top to bottom. Top 2 teams in tier 1 get a marginally bigger slice bot after that its only £2-5k difference between teams until you get to bottom SPFL team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLichtie86 Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 The point is that if you were to expand the top tier of the league, they would need to either reduce how much each team gets in prize money to include these extra teams. Or to make up the shortfall by taking prizemoney from the remaining SPFL clubs therefore increasing the top tier pot size above 82.25%. That last part would make the gulf between tier 1 and 2 in terms of revenue streams closer to a few years ago. SPL2 was sounded out as the saviour and that would help the tier 2 teams out with more money. SPFL was formed after that and money was redistributed from the Premiership to the Championship. Clubs getting much bigger prize money than previous. League 1 got an increase and League 2 stayed the same. Basically if we expand the top league, the top teams are going to have to take a hit in reduced revenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny arab Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 14 team top flight is a great idea, this needs to be looked at asap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trackdaybob Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 14 team top flight is a great idea, this needs to be looked at asap Aye, bottom two down, top four up. That'll solve all the problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P45 Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Falkirk and Qots in the top flight would be shite m8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trackdaybob Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Falkirk and Qots in the top flight would be shite m8. Oh. Yes, of course. How right you are. You thought I was being serious? That's nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Saintee Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Falkirk don't want promotion anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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