TheScarf Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Lee Wallace looked to be a great prospect at Hearts after learning his trade from Euro 2004 winner Takis Fyssas. He signed for Rangers, fair enough, but then they died and instead of trying to better himself and not transferring his contract to the new club, he took the easy option of 8k a week playing against students and bricklayers. He's regressed as a result, all for the cost of a nicer car and house. He'll never play higher than the Scottish Premiership. A shame really. Shout out to Keith Jackson's tweet last night too. Surprising to see a raging *** losing the head at a Celtic defeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 What a great team to watch BMG are, if they'd had a bit more firepower up front it could have been Barca all over again. Deserved nothing from that game, 2nd to everything, misplaced passess all over the place. I wish Bitton would GTF too. We should stll qualify when we beat Barca and Man City imo Also, quick question. Are the sevco fans actually comparing how much better Lee Wallace (grass) is than Tierney based on a game against ICT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tree house tam Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 30 minutes ago, Romeo said: Also, quick question. Are the sevco fans actually comparing how much better Lee Wallace (grass) is than Tierney based on a game against ICT? This. Is anyone really surprised that a top half Bundesliga side can wipe the floor with Scotlands best side? Considering the state Scottish football is in i'm just surprised it wasn't more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 The state of Scottish football[emoji38]We're a minnow and Celtic are doing well to even compete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Scottish football is absolutely fine btw. Only utter idiots with no perspective could think otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 German football is superb. Nothing to do with our game being bad. Celtic weren't all playing at their best but it was an ok performance against a very impressive Gladbach. They were as good as I've seen in the way they were set up and the way they pressed the ball. Celtic are now out, won't pick up another point. Which tbf isn't even that bad in a group like this. I really hope that when this happens people don't start going on about the state of Scottish football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 26 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said: German football is superb. Nothing to do with our game being bad. Celtic weren't all playing at their best but it was an ok performance against a very impressive Gladbach. Having not watched much of them I was very impressed at how they had the basics absolutely spot on. Quick passing which rarely if ever went astray, everyone stuck to their job, high tempo throughout and hunting in packs of 3 or 4. They basically did to us what we tried to do to Man city and we got found out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAMLISCH Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Very impressed with the Germans. The consistent speed and accuracy of their passing left us chasing shadows for the most part. Still believed we could win as I've seen this scenario played out many times before [we're being relentlessly bullied, then we get one chance, score, crowd go wild and opposition go into state of shock] and Sinclair's chance on stroke of half time was a key moment. Toure obviously carries the can for a couple of bad decisions. He's enjoyed a successful career at a high level and most fans of Arsenal, Man City & Liverpool know he can be guilty of switching off occasionally but he's still worth his place in the team and at SPL level has been outstanding this season IMO. The disappointments are that with 15 minutes to play we couldn't get beyond square balls and walking pace passing triangles with the ball continually moving backwards. Credit to the Gladbach for their defending but to finish ANY home game with 1 shot on target has to considered not good enough regardless of the opposition. Now that the expectations have been crushed I think we'll perform better in Germany than we did last night even if we don't get a win or a draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
List_of_Jericho Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Watched this last night, thought Gladbach were excellent overall. Celtic really raised their game against City the previous game but was always a big ask to do it again. Success for Celtic these days is to qualify for the Group Stages and possibly sneak a big result against a powerhouse outfit at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonD Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Shouldn't the title of this thread be changed to "Celtic's European Campaign 2016"? Not going to be much activity after the New Year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds are Forever Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 You really see the difference in games like that between the footballing intelligence of top teams compared to Scottish teams. They were able to play the ball around the park with ease jusy by using simple passes and giving players options. Celtic play in straight lines - pass, pass, pass in a line along the back 4 and then punt straight up the line. As mentioned, they way they pressed without exposing themselves was brilliant aswell. These are all things that as a nation we should be better at without even having to improve technically to do it. It's not like when you watch Barcelona and their players do things that we can't, it's guys who have sound fundamentals and are tactically aware. Instead we have Scott Brown running around like a headless chicken, barging into people and getting cheered for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 It's the movement off the ball that separates good footballers from Scottish footballers. There's always space for a simple 10 year pass. To a guy in enough space to them make another 10 year pass to his mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisal Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 23 minutes ago, TheScarf said: It's the movement off the ball that separates good footballers from Scottish footballers. There's always space for a simple 10 year pass. To a guy in enough space to them make another 10 year pass to his mate. Yep. Scottish players aren't quick enough or clever enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hampden Diehard Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 11 hours ago, 10menwent2mow said: Aye the way they bang on about you'd think it was unique. Gladbach play in front of 80,000 at Dortmund, Barca play in front of 80,000 in El Classico and Citeh play in front of nearly 80,000 in a Manc Derby. its not that good an atmosphere. Correct. Most Bundesliga matches are played with a terrific atmosphere being generated, no matter the opposition. Compare that to the good atmosphere generated at Parkhead two or three times a year which has the press and Celtic wetting themselves at how they will frighten the opposition. More likely to put the Celtic players off than the opposition. The point made about Scott Brown barging into people and getting cheered probably sums up what is wrong with our game. We still value the get-intae-him player when the rest of the world has moved on. Your average Scottish player can't hold a candle to most average European players who can actually pass a ball to a member of their team. It's a damning indictment of the Scottish game that the team who are so superior to every other team in Scotland are so far off the pace in Europe. Celebrating the 50th anniversary of Lisbon next year only serves to highlight how dire we have become. 50 years, and yet Celtic fans talk about it like it was yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mik Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 4 minutes ago, Hampden Diehard said: The point made about Scott Brown barging into people and getting cheered probably sums up what is wrong with our game. We still value the get-intae-him player when the rest of the world has moved on. Your average Scottish player can't hold a candle to most average European players who can actually pass a ball to a member of their team. Scott Brown who has 92% passing accuracy in the CL this year? That Scott Brown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 1 hour ago, TheScarf said: There's always space for a simple 10 year pass. Some pass tbf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Correct. Most Bundesliga matches are played with a terrific atmosphere being generated, no matter the opposition. Compare that to the good atmosphere generated at Parkhead two or three times a year which has the press and Celtic wetting themselves at how they will frighten the opposition. More likely to put the Celtic players off than the opposition. The point made about Scott Brown barging into people and getting cheered probably sums up what is wrong with our game. We still value the get-intae-him player when the rest of the world has moved on. Your average Scottish player can't hold a candle to most average European players who can actually pass a ball to a member of their team. It's a damning indictment of the Scottish game that the team who are so superior to every other team in Scotland are so far off the pace in Europe. Celebrating the 50th anniversary of Lisbon next year only serves to highlight how dire we have become. 50 years, and yet Celtic fans talk about it like it was yesterday. A damning indictment on the Scottish game... Settle yourself eh. Best team in the world, probably the future English champions who are one of the richest in world football and a very good side from arguably the best league in the world. As for Scott Brown, he done alright last night, he played reasonably well and kept the ball moving. Biton was the let down of the 2. Also you still need guys in the middle of the park that is a get intae him player, all the best sides need them, granted they'll be much better technically but point still stands. You need a player to break up play/be a presence/keep the ball moving. Celtics passing and possession was fine last night, they had a lot of the ball, they just lacked the cutting edge in the final third. Due in part to the superb way Gladbach closed them down and the speed they had in the fullback areas, Forrest and Sinclair couldn't get a sniff. Celtic couldn't get in behind. This was just a team of better players playing well and winning the game, it wasn't a pumping could've easily been a draw and it certainly wasn't a damning indictment on our game. I agree that we do need to start looking at the way some of these European teams play, like you say it wasn't anything that we couldn't start drumming into players here. The closing down, organisation and way they used the space on the park was extremely impressive and something that any team regardless of technical ability can be coached to do, purely running but it makes the game look so easy. Great to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Nooka Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 20 minutes ago, Mik said: Scott Brown who has 92% passing accuracy in the CL this year? That Scott Brown? I don't give a flying f**k what stats say, I'll base my opinion of Scott Brown on actually watching him for the last 10 years. The guys basic footballing ability is shockingly bad and he should never be the captain of Celtic, but he does run about a lot so he appeals to the easily pleased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenlantern Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Outclassed last night, no complaints. In regards to Scott Brown, he was perhaps the only player last night looking to bring others in, and linking our midfield with the forwards, dropping back and picking it out of defence, and setting it off, avoiding the obvious hoofball tactics that can easily be deployed in those circumstances. I'm not too disheartened about the state of our game, after last night. We know our level and can often punch above our weight. Sadly the same can't be said about our national team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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