Alex Salmond.

[alta-pete]

1 hour ago, Crùbag said:

Big Eck's first PPB is honest at least.

 

Imagine spending time on that and that’s the result. That’s worse than his launch video! 

[Ira Gaines]

9 minutes ago, pandarilla said:

I'm not saying it'll definitely happen. But I'm fed up with the way this snp govt do things. Their 'don't rock the boat' tactic has worn thin, and there's definitely a managerial class about many of them.

 

I'll start with this, because I largely agree. Seeing folk on here talking about waiting another few years after ANOTHER mandate is pathetic. There needs to be 1) a big focus on indyref2 in this upcoming campaign and 2) a willingness to carry it out as soon as they possibly can.

If they were to wait for the next General Election, I'd be pretty much done with them.

A big surge in pro-indy MSPs will massively influence how the story is discussed in the media, and it will also impact public opinion (two things that Johnson does care about). He certainly doesn't have principles, and isn't averse to a dramatic U-turn.

The idea that there's no chance of him changing his mind is nonsense

He'd largely have the media on board if he said no, and he'd have a large percentage of people too. This isn't the same as many of the u-turns that he's made. He'd have as much support as he would opposition.

I believe he'll say no regardless of when the question is asked, so it's up to the Scottish government to figure how to tackle such an outcome. I don't think they'll wait as long as another election, and I think they'll make the Tories challenge one in the courts.

[NotThePars]

16 minutes ago, pandarilla said:

Snp fanboy tactics out in full force.

Yep. If there's one thing I can say about Inanimate Carbon Rod it's that his posting over the last 12 months has been indicative of an SNP fanboy. There definitely aren't dozens, if not hundreds, of posts lambasting Sturgeon and the SNP.

[madwullie]

18 minutes ago, pandarilla said:

Snp fanboy tactics out in full force. I agree with your assessment of Johnson with the exception that he follows a populist narrative.

A big surge in pro-indy MSPs will massively influence how the story is discussed in the media, and it will also impact public opinion (two things that Johnson does care about). He certainly doesn't have principles, and isn't averse to a dramatic U-turn.

The idea that there's no chance of him changing his mind is nonsense.

I'm not saying it'll definitely happen. But I'm fed up with the way this snp govt do things. Their 'don't rock the boat' tactic has worn thin, and there's definitely a managerial class about many of them.

Anyone with genuinely radical ideas is labelled and ostracised by the snp fanboy like the poster I've quoted above.

 

ICR has said he's not likely to vote snp in May. 

How should it have been played and how do you think that would have went? 

[yoda]

All Under One Banner*

*unless you're trans**

**or Jewish 

[Granny Danger]

46 minutes ago, pandarilla said:

Anyone with genuinely radical ideas is labelled and ostracised by the snp fanboy like the poster I've quoted above.

 

@DeeTillEhDeh rightly made the comparison with the Trots of bygone days.  I recall many of the ones I knew were also middle class professionals.  

[GordonS]

1 hour ago, pandarilla said:

Snp fanboy tactics out in full force. I agree with your assessment of Johnson with the exception that he follows a populist narrative.

A big surge in pro-indy MSPs will massively influence how the story is discussed in the media, and it will also impact public opinion (two things that Johnson does care about). He certainly doesn't have principles, and isn't averse to a dramatic U-turn.

The idea that there's no chance of him changing his mind is nonsense.

I'm not saying it'll definitely happen. But I'm fed up with the way this snp govt do things. Their 'don't rock the boat' tactic has worn thin, and there's definitely a managerial class about many of them.

Anyone with genuinely radical ideas is labelled and ostracised by the snp fanboy like the poster I've quoted above.

 

The bit I think you're missing is that Johnson wouldn't get any negative publicity for telling the SNP to get stuffed in any media he needs to care about. He'll be absolutely backed to the hilt by the Mail, Express, Telegraph, Times etc. He wouldn't be criticised in any English-based media for it, because at heart they're all unionists apart from lefties like George Monbiot. Everyone from Ian Hislop to Eddie Izzard would be on his side, as would The Guardian. Keir Starmer will be completely onside too. Remember Lisa Nandy saying the Spanish had the right approach when cracking heads?

Allowing an independence referendum is a vote loser in England. He can retain and gain votes by wrapping himself in the Union Jack and saying "I won't give Scotland up, not on my watch" while moving staff here, opening offices and spending money directly on projects here.

Even in Scotland, a solid 20% want Johnson to tell Sturgeon to f**k off. One of them is going to red dot this post. They know they're never getting more votes and seats than they get here and that's fine with them.

IMO the biggest danger to the independence movement is impatience. Get radical, go outside the mainstream and you'll scare a good 10% away from Yes. There is absolutely no way to independence that doesn't go through the centre and that's just how it is. The biggest threat to the independence movement is a cohort of Eck's zoomers in the Scottish Parliament talking about "taking to the streets" and scaring the bejeesus out of middle Scotland.

And FWIW you should ask some people who live in England whether they think the SNP are radical.

Edited March 29, 2021 by GordonS

[git-intae-thum]

1 hour ago, pandarilla said:

Snp fanboy tactics out in full force. I agree with your assessment of Johnson with the exception that he follows a populist narrative.

A big surge in pro-indy MSPs will massively influence how the story is discussed in the media, and it will also impact public opinion (two things that Johnson does care about). He certainly doesn't have principles, and isn't averse to a dramatic U-turn.

The idea that there's no chance of him changing his mind is nonsense.

I'm not saying it'll definitely happen. But I'm fed up with the way this snp govt do things. Their 'don't rock the boat' tactic has worn thin, and there's definitely a managerial class about many of them.

Anyone with genuinely radical ideas is labelled and ostracised by the snp fanboy like the poster I've quoted above.

 

The poster in question is probably not the best example to be calling an "SNP fanboy" to be fair.

However I certainly concur the sentiment applies to a number of posters on this forum, although wouldn't even call them "SNP fanboys" tbh.

I will continue to associate the SNP with independence. These people have just used the SNP to hitch a ride on the independence vote to promote their own wee fringe movements.

A definite tears and snotters reaction to the launch of a new party from some. Look at this beauty from just a few posts above.

1 hour ago, yoda said:

All Under One Banner*

*unless you're trans**

**or Jewish 

[DeeTillEhDeh]

I agree with your assessment of Johnson with the exception that he follows a populist narrative.

A big surge in pro-indy MSPs will massively influence how the story is discussed in the media, and it will also impact public opinion (two things that Johnson does care about). He certainly doesn't have principles, and isn't averse to a dramatic U-turn.

The idea that there's no chance of him changing his mind is nonsense.

I'm not saying it'll definitely happen. But I'm fed up with the way this snp govt do things. Their 'don't rock the boat' tactic has worn thin, and there's definitely a managerial class about many of them.

Anyone with genuinely radical ideas is labelled and ostracised by the snp fanboy like the poster I've quoted above.

I've no issue with someone being radical.

What I do have an issue is those that hold up theirs as the one true way and ridicule those who don't follow that route.

The independence movement is a broad church and being condescending to soft Yes (or soft No) voters is really navel-gazing of the worst kind.

Like it or not, some perople need to grow up and accept that you need to take those voters with you if you are going to win independence.

Equally, I don't think it's particularly productive of those who support the gradualist route attacking the fundamentalists.

As I've said repeatedly, the SNP's best strategy is to focus on the constituencies, ignore Alba, and remember who the real enemy of independence is and who they need to win over.

[NotThePars]

3 hours ago, yoda said:

All Under One Banner*

*unless you're trans**

**or Jewish 

*** Or a Traveller

 

[Dunning1874]

Or Romanian, or getting a vaccine, or believe abortion should be legal, or not fond of sleepy cuddles...

[Jacksgranda]

On 27/03/2021 at 22:37, alta-pete said:

I think @virgintonshould stand for election under whatever banner he chooses. He’s got the talk. 

I reckon the worthies of PnB could collect in more than enough to cover his deposit and enough leaflets. Hell, we could even get  @Divto run his digital campaign.

Then he can offer his personable take on Scottish politics to the Inverclyde masses for their approval and maybe even - dream ticket - all the way to Holyrood. 

Any objections? 

There are enough tossers in politics without another one joining them, surely?

[pandarilla]

Yep. If there's one thing I can say about Inanimate Carbon Rod it's that his posting over the last 12 months has been indicative of an SNP fanboy. There definitely aren't dozens, if not hundreds, of posts lambasting Sturgeon and the SNP.

Ok, that's my bad. I don't follow the politics section closely enough to keep a check on who has said what in previous topics - so I'm happy to take that back.

I still think the reaction to the alba party has been over the top.

The 'we just need to trust nicola' approach smacks of labour voters under Tony Blair, when criticism started to appear that he was just a red tory.

I'll be voting snp on the constituency for sure, although holding my nose a bit as i do so. I've not decided whether greens or alba is the best approach for the 2nd vote. We'll see how the polls are looking closer to the time.

[Crùbag]

On 29/03/2021 at 19:59, alta-pete said:

Imagine spending time on that and that’s the result. That’s worse than his launch video! 

I had a good chuckle at it. Hope we're not offended, are we?

[alta-pete]

 Not offended no, just a bit bemused! 

[Detournement]

Craig Murray jailed for 8 months. 

Crazy. 

[Dawson Park Boy]

18 minutes ago, Detournement said:

Craig Murray jailed for 8 months. 

Crazy. 

Seems very harsh sentence!

[Detournement]

Just now, Dawson Park Boy said:

Seems very harsh sentence!

62 years old, first offence, ill health and a decorated whistleblower who highlighted UK collusion in torture in Uzbekistan.

Convicted sex offenders regularly walk out of Scottish courts with non custodial sentences. 

 

[scottsdad]

43 minutes ago, Detournement said:

62 years old, first offence, ill health and a decorated whistleblower who highlighted UK collusion in torture in Uzbekistan.

Convicted sex offenders regularly walk out of Scottish courts with non custodial sentences. 

 

The one thing the Justice System hates above all else, is someone messing with the Justice System. Things like this and perjury are dealt with really, really harshly in comparison to, say, drink driving / child porn offences that you might think should be treated much more harshly.

[pandarilla]

That seems to be a fucking shocking decision.