strichener Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 (edited) That's absolute nonsense really. You may think it has a better chance of improving through independence, but to claim Scotland can't improve as part of the union is untrue. It has improved during numerous periods over the past 300 years. There is one thing that is certain. Relative to the South of England, Scotland will under-perform for as long as the UK exists. Imagine thinking of spending £17bln on a single runway at an airport. Significantly more than 50% of the entire Scottish Goverment Grant. For a single runway FFS. ETA: I know that they justify it on the basis that it benefits the whole country. However, if they took a more holistic approach then we could see the infrastructure built in other areas of the island with better long term benefits. Edited November 27, 2015 by strichener 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 In this case, past performance (patchy even though that was) is no indicator of future performance, so when Lichtie says it can't improve in the Union, he's clearly speaking in a contemporary sense, and while that view may be poorly quantifiable, pointing to the Scottish enlightenment or the industrial revolution doesn't actually negate his point. Pointing to the Scottish enlightenment and industrial revolution as evidence of the UK benefitting Scotland is popular, but the living standards of the average urban and rural lower-class Scots did not reach the level of comparable classes in England until the thirties. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevthedee Posted November 27, 2015 Author Share Posted November 27, 2015 You're not even trying any more Kev. You are now clearly trolling. Would you class a turnout of 84.59%/over 3.6m people who voted in a democratic election as a "embarrassment"dont think i would. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Litchie really is a crybaby. Wish he would just f**k off. Litchie? You can f**k right off m9. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Would you class a turnout of 84.59%/over 3.6m people who voted in a democratic election as a "embarrassment"dont think i would. I would if 55% of those 3.6m chose to tug their forelock, doff their cap, get on their knees and keep the begging bowl held out. And since "embarrassment" starts with a vowel, it's preceded by "an" not "a". HTH. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Pointing to the Scottish enlightenment and industrial revolution as evidence of the UK benefitting Scotland is popular, but the living standards of the average urban and rural lower-class Scots did not reach the level of comparable classes in England until the thirties. Quite true, of course. The road to Union was itself an act of economic blocade by England on Scotland in the first place. Counter history is interesting, if academic - the major issues of England restricting it's chiefly American colonial markets to force Scotland into penury would of couse, dissapear 69 years later as well.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevthedee Posted November 27, 2015 Author Share Posted November 27, 2015 I would if 55% of those 3.6m chose to tug their forelock, doff their cap, get on their knees and keep the begging bowl held out. And since "embarrassment" starts with a vowel, it's preceded by "an" not "a". HTH. Its interesting that you complain about the SNP not getting treated with respect but you have none yourself ,hypocrisy fide. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Would you class a turnout of 84.59%/over 3.6m people who voted in a democratic election as a "embarrassment"dont think i would. The separatists still can't get past the fact that the majority of Scots disagreed with them. They may feel embarrassed, the rest of us don't. Let em f*ckin get on with it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Its interesting that you complain about the SNP not getting treated with respect but you have none yourself ,hypocrisy fide. Respect is earned old pal, not demanded. And No voters don't earn my respect. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 The separatists still can't get past the fact that the majority of Scots disagreed with them. They may feel embarrassed, the rest of us don't. Let em f*ckin get on with it.Yep.The genie is out the box, getting on with it is exactly what is happening. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Yep. The genie is out the box, getting on with it is exactly what is happening. You keep a genie in a BOX? Animal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 You keep a genie in a BOX? Animal. No genies were harmed in the making of this post. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 (edited) Yep. The genie is out the box, getting on with it is exactly what is happening. A fair point - are regionalism and British nationalism ever likely to gain in appeal to those who believed in Scotland's future as a sovereign state? Edited November 27, 2015 by Antlion 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SANTAN Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 (edited) I can understand the latter, to an extent. Some people, weirdly and quite perversely have a real affinity with the "United Kingdom". I get that. What I don't get is anyone who thinks we'd be worse off running our own affairs than the absolute clusterfuck consecutive Westminster governments have made of running Scotland. Aye and some people, weirdly and quite perversely have a real affinity with Scotland.. If you can't understand the other side of the argument you're posing then your side is always going to be skewed. You're pretty much admitting to being completely one sided in your line of thinking. Edited November 27, 2015 by Stormzy -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Aye and some people, weirdly and quite perversely have a real affinity with Scotland.. If you can't understand the other side of the argument you're posing then your side is always going to be skewed. You're pretty much admitting to being completely one sided in your line of thinking. Why not change his mind? Do you have a real affinity with the United Kingdom as a nation (rather than Scotland), and if so, what's so endearing about it that gives you this nationalistic affiliation? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SANTAN Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Because that IS the ONLY way we can improve. After last years embarrassment and us being utterly hopeless at the only thing we care about and compete at on a national stage, I think we should just call it quits as a 'country' anyway tbh. What's the only thing Scottish people care about out of interest? What do you even mean call it quits as a country? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 What's the only thing Scottish people care about out of interest? What do you even mean call it quits as a country? Represented on a national stage? Football. And just call it a day, pack it in, start calling ourselves Northern England instead. I may or may not being totally serious here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capybara Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 I love the term Separatists. So evocative. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SANTAN Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Why not change his mind? Do you have a real affinity with the United Kingdom as a nation (rather than Scotland), and if so, what's so endearing about it that gives you this nationalistic affiliation? He's already admitted that he can't understand the other side of the argument. I'm not going to waste time debating someone so narrow minded. Nationalism, generally speaking, is for fucking morons. I just find it glaringly hypocritical that this poster can describe feeling an affinity with the United Kingdom as weird and perverse whilst blatantly holding an affinity with Scotland. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 He's already admitted that he can't understand the other side of the argument. I'm not going to waste time debating someone so narrow minded. Nationalism, generally speaking, is for fucking morons. I just find it glaringly hypocritical that this poster can describe feeling an affinity with the United Kingdom as weird and perverse whilst blatantly holding an affinity with Scotland. So the Westminster parties who waxed lyrical about the preserving our three-hundred-years of nationhood are fucking morons? If so, then it seems eminently sensible to take the opportunity to part company with them. It's also notable that none of these parties aspires to regional status for the UK, so presumably they think regionalism is for fucking morons. They must class the Scots amongst that company. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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