Fide Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 So Fluffy Mundell has amended the Scotland Bill to allow Holyrood to control laws over abortion. At present, the Scottish Governent don't plan to change any of it. BUT. Check out Kezia's indignation. Kezia Dugdale @kdugdalemsp Ministers behind closed doors have decided to devolve abortion. Did anyone stop to ask Scotland's women? Lack of consultation fuels fears She clearly thinks the decision is best left in the hands of the men who run Westminster, instead of the women who run Holyrood. Devolution actually seems like a good idea when you see what Jeremy Hunt wants to do. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/9591141/Cut-legal-abortion-limit-to-12-weeks-Jeremy-Hunt-says.html The Health Secretary said he believed there is a moral case for cutting the current time limit of 24 weeks. Although he stressed that the Coalition has no plans to attempt changes in abortion rules, his comments will encourage MPs and campaigners pushing for a new Commons vote on the issue. “Everyone looks at the evidence and comes to a view about when they think that moment is, and my own view is that 12 weeks is the right point for it,” Mr Hunt told The Times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 So Fluffy Mundell has amended the Scotland Bill to allow Holyrood to control laws over abortion. At present, the Scottish Governent don't plan to change any of it. BUT. Check out Kezia's indignation. Kezia Dugdale @kdugdalemsp Ministers behind closed doors have decided to devolve abortion. Did anyone stop to ask Scotland's women? Lack of consultation fuels fears She clearly thinks the decision is best left in the hands of the men who run Westminster, instead of the women who run Holyrood. Devolution actually seems like a good idea when you see what Jeremy Hunt wants to do. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/9591141/Cut-legal-abortion-limit-to-12-weeks-Jeremy-Hunt-says.html The Health Secretary said he believed there is a moral case for cutting the current time limit of 24 weeks. Although he stressed that the Coalition has no plans to attempt changes in abortion rules, his comments will encourage MPs and campaigners pushing for a new Commons vote on the issue. Everyone looks at the evidence and comes to a view about when they think that moment is, and my own view is that 12 weeks is the right point for it, Mr Hunt told The Times. What kind of pathetic, cringing, conservative Uncle Tam is horrified at the thought of legislation over Scottish women's right to choose being worked out in Scotland? For that matter, what kind of pathetic, cringing, conservative Uncle Tam is so bereft of ambition that her goal in life is to be a branch office manager of Scotland with as little power as possible? The answer to both these questions is Kezia Dugdale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 What kind of pathetic, cringing, conservative Uncle Tam is horrified at the thought of legislation over Scottish women's right to choose being worked out in Scotland? For that matter, what kind of pathetic, cringing, conservative Uncle Tam is so bereft of ambition that her goal in life is to be a branch office manager of Scotland with as little power as possible? The answer to both these questions is Kezia Dugdale. She's fuelling fears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 In the Smith Commission I understand that the Labour camp were particularly reticent about the devolution of abortion. Donald Dewar didn't want the Scottish Parliament to have it because he feared it would turn Holyrood into a target for the "pro-life" lobby. The Greens and Lib Dems were keen in Smith to have it devolved, the Tories didn't particularly care and the SNP were a bit subdued by it. It's good that it's been devolved. I for one hope that the next step is to devolve the Misuse of Drugs Act at some point in the next Parliament. Timing isn't essential, given there appear to be moves towards a regulated cannabis market that they might want to get through UK-wide first, but I think it's ridiculous that the Scottish Parliament is responsible generally both for the criminal law and for healthcare provision in Scotland, but controlled substances, which definitionally involve the interaction between the two, is kept as a matter for the UK Parliament. Other countries, like the US, seem to cope just fine with different drugs laws in different jurisdictions, and we already have different laws on tobacco and alcohol, which is devolved to Holyrood, so it's time we took powers not just that we don't want to use, but also ones we can use really quite radically to shake-up public policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 It's good that it's been devolved. I for one hope that the next step is to devolve the Misuse of Drugs Act at some point in the next Parliament. Timing isn't essential, given there appear to be moves towards a regulated cannabis market that they might want to get through UK-wide first, but I think it's ridiculous that the Scottish Parliament is responsible generally both for the criminal law and for healthcare provision in Scotland, but controlled substances, which definitionally involve the interaction between the two, is kept as a matter for the UK Parliament. Other countries, like the US, seem to cope just fine with different drugs laws in different jurisdictions, and we already have different laws on tobacco and alcohol, which is devolved to Holyrood, so it's time we took powers not just that we don't want to use, but also ones we can use really quite radically to shake-up public policy. It would be funny to see Gretna become some kind of Cannabis Mecca for the English and Welsh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 I'd have as much hope for the Tories to liberalise the drug laws in this country as I would the SNP although admittedly I'm only basing this on their attitude to drinking. On topic I've already saw a Rangers fan claim that the Catholic Church has far too much influence in this country for abortion law to be devolved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevthedee Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 new powers that we got promised are on the way plus extras great news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 It would be funny to see Gretna become some kind of Cannabis Mecca for the English and Welsh. The Gretna Gateway would have a whole different purpose and meaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Brian Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 You may end up at the wrong place if you were asking for directions to Gretna Green though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 new powers that we got promised are on the way plus extras great news. Hopefully they'll send some additional punctuation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 You may end up at the wrong place if you were asking for directions to Gretna Green though Great brand name for legalised spliff though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotbawmad Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 I must admit I do have concerns of having pro-life lobbies swarming around Holyrood. At the end of the day the abortion argument comes down to when you believe a life starts. Is it the instant sperm enters the woman's body, or when the baby exits the womb? I think most people including me believe it's somewhere in-between. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Can they tell if fetuses will turn out gingers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 I have to laugh at anyone thinking there is any chance of the SNP legalising cannabis. They've already declared war on the binge drinking culture. The only way we would ever get weed legalised would be if the Lib Dems somehow get into coalition again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 I have to laugh at anyone thinking there is any chance of the SNP legalising cannabis. They've already declared war on the binge drinking culture. The only way we would ever get weed legalised would be if the Lib Dems somehow get into coalition again. Binge drinking is a huge problem in Scotland. Smoking weed in your home whilst watching the tele ? Not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Binge drinking is a huge problem in Scotland. Smoking weed in your home whilst watching the tele ? Not so much. People can binge drink if they want, to deny them that right is authoritarian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 People can binge drink if they want, to deny them that right is authoritarian. I must have missed the ban on binge drinking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 I must have missed the ban on binge drinking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_(Minimum_Pricing)_(Scotland)_Act_2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_(Minimum_Pricing)_(Scotland)_Act_2012 Doesn't look like a ban on binge drinking to me I'm in favour of minimum pricing. Wouldn't be in favour of a ban on drinking though You're slevering shite as usual Troll Boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Stop quoting Mr Bairn please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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