NotThePars Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Personally believe the solution is making work pay more rather than making benefit claimants starve. *Hears huge applause from Twitter in the distance* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karpaty Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Aye I've been on quite a few safeguarding courses too. I think a lot of people would be shocked as to how much neglect, financial abuse ect, goes on. I know a case I had to attend meetings for and where children were taken from the parent and the level of neglect was astonishing. The mother then started this strange social media campaign targeting social services especially and got loads of people in the town backing her. I don't envy the job social services do one bit. There was also a section where we learned possible signs of a child being enticed into terrorism. I can't remember all of the points but the main one was "Showing extremist views". No shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 *sigh* Again, the training is not what I'm complaining about ibis the conditions that have been created that means it is now seen as necessary. Whether or not it should be done in any case is neither here nor there. But it should always be "seen as necessary". Even in the most compassionate and safety-net laden country there are going to be families that end up on the breadline and children who suffer as a result and the duty of care teachers have to pupils is so fundamental that *of course* they should be trained to spot early signs and to act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 But it should always be "seen as necessary". Even in the most compassionate and safety-net laden country there are going to be families that end up on the breadline and children who suffer as a result and the duty of care teachers have to pupils is so fundamental that *of course* they should be trained to spot early signs and to act. I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 It's particularly interesting to see how quickly people fall into line and start labelling people as deserving poor or undeserving poor. Apparently some on here think that not wanting to get out of bed to go to the dole office is grounds for them to be starved. No attempt to understand WHY that person can't get out of bed. Just a blanket judgment of "can't be arsed". Nobody has made any sort of blanket judgements. My comment about "can't be arsed" was specifically about people who "can't be arsed", for no reason other than "they can't be arsed". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Your an arsehole mate. End of story. I'm an arsehole for not saying that there is justification for leaving a parent without food for their children? Mmkay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted October 9, 2015 Author Share Posted October 9, 2015 Nobody has made any sort of blanket judgements. My comment about "can't be arsed" was specifically about people who "can't be arsed", for no reason other than "they can't be arsed". Do you realise, in the grand scheme of things, how very little benefit claimants who "can't be arsed" drain from the system? I hope you're enraged by orders of magnitude more by Government after Government failing to reign in tax avoidance/ evasion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevthedee Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Do you know how much "benefit cheats" cost Britain each year in comparions to tax avoidance/ evasion? I can't remember the figures but it's microscopic in comparison. Not to say that people abusing the system shouldn't be stopped, but a little perspective is needed. Going after "benefit cheats" as a way of saving the country money, over and above tackling tax avoidance/ evasion, is ridiculous, and, like many Tory policies, entirely ideological. I get your point about tax avoidance figures compared to benefit cheats but if you ask the hardworking man/women on the street what angers them more it would be benefit cheats or people who can work but cant be bothered to. Many people have to work hard just to pay the bills and support their families while others live of the state so to speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted October 9, 2015 Author Share Posted October 9, 2015 I get your point about tax avoidance figures compared to benefit cheats but if you ask the hardworking man/women on the street what angers them more it would be benefit cheats or people who can work but cant be bothered to. Many people have to work hard just to pay the bills and support their families while others live of the state so to speak. And there you have it in a nutshell. The media/ Tories concerted efforts to demonise benefit claimants and make the public ignore their policies which actually kill people in full working effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Many people have to work hard just to pay the bills and support their families while others live of the state so to speak. Kev "Tory Talking Points" Thedee, there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 I signed on for eight months and in that time everyone I dealt with at the job centre was human and reasonable, so I'm quite thankful for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 I get your point about tax avoidance figures compared to benefit cheats but if you ask the hardworking man/women on the street what angers them more it would be benefit cheats or people who can work but cant be bothered to. Many people have to work hard just to pay the bills and support their families while others live of the state so to speak. Because the government have convinced the public that these people are at fault for the country's ills. Look at all the "poverty porn" shite like Benefits Street on TV. When was the last series or journalistic investigation into tax avoidance by large companies? Or the last special on benefits unclaimed by people that have entitlement? Both of those are far in excess of money spent on benefit cheats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 if you ask the hardworking man/women on the street what angers them more it would be benefit cheats or people who can work but cant be bothered to.Kevthedailymail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Blame the people who voted for them in may. As opposed to those who voted last September to ensure that the wider UK could inflict a Tory government on Scotland in May (and at every General Election in future)? Surely you didn't think that you were voting for perpetual Labour government last September? You were voting for Scotland to either choose its own governments or receive governments, like the current Tory one, chose by the wider UK. Enjoy. You wanted this. #BetterTogether Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevthedee Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 As opposed to those who voted last September to ensure that the wider UK could inflict a Tory government on Scotland in May (and at every General Election in future)? Surely you didn't think that you were voting for perpetual Labour government last September? You were voting for Scotland to either choose its own governments or receive governments, like the current Tory one, chose by the wider UK. Enjoy. You wanted this. #BetterTogether I voted no to independance in a referendum in sept it was not a vote for a conservative goverment or its policies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 I voted no to independance in a referendum in sept it was not a vote for a conservative goverment or its policies. You did indeed. In doing that, you voted for a system in which we have very little say. We could've returned 59 Labour MPs and it wouldn't made a blind bit of difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted October 9, 2015 Author Share Posted October 9, 2015 I voted no to independance in a referendum in sept it was not a vote for a conservative goverment or its policies. And are you happy with the way Scotland is being governed 13 months on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevthedee Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Kev "Tory Talking Points" Thedee, there. Am sure many working class people will agree with my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted October 9, 2015 Author Share Posted October 9, 2015 Am sure many working class people will agree with my view. I'm quite sure they will. Assuming they are blinkered, ill informed, stupid, gullible, easily swayed and have no free thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 I voted no to independance in a referendum in sept it was not a vote for a conservative goverment or its policies.You voted for Scotland to be a minor region of a largely right-wing country which then overwhelmingly voted Tory in May. You must have had a crystal tear glistening in your eye listening to Cameron say how much he loved every "part" of our "one nation" at his conference - after all, you helped ensure he stayed in power and has every right, constitutionally, to govern Scotland.Simply put, the UK's Tory government/s would cease to be able to inflict their policies on Scotland were it not for your gleeful "No" vote. As I've said: enjoy the consequences of being Better Together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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