Peppino Impastato Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 http://statsbomb.com/2013/12/luis-suarez-the-perfect-storm/ Here's Suarez for the 4 years before the went to barca 7% 7% 11% 25% Yet tube up there thinks St Johnstone have better. You see why I treat you people's views with contempt? You couldn't know less about the game if you tried Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fifer Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 The term "chances" is also a bit vague. Needing 4 or 5 "chances", is a chance a 1v1? Is it a shot from the edge of the box? A free kick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest_Man#1 Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 The term "chances" is also a bit vague. Needing 4 or 5 "chances", is a chance a 1v1? Is it a shot from the edge of the box? A free kick? I'd say in a footballing context a "chance" is where you cpuld reasonably expect someone to score (or at least make the keeper make a good save), so 1v1, close range shots in a bit of space and things like that. You're right it's a bit vague but everyone in football talks about chances. Actually, there must be an actual football definition of a chance as there's plenty of statistics that measure "chances scored" and other similar chance-related stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordopolis Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 PB/Peppino and Lichtie are right: there isn't a striker in the world who scores every chance - not Messi, Ronaldo, Lewandowski, none of them. They all generally need a good few chances to net one. I remember when Rhodes was at Huddersfield and scored for them in the playoffs, there was a shot of Dean Hoyle holding up one finger and mouthing 'one chance' to his business buddies in the stand. He wasn't actually scoring every time he had a chance that season but he wasn't too far off. He's never been at those heights since, though he has been doing well. Kevin Gallacher recently claimed Rhodes was a 1 in three man in the Championship. That came across as a mild criticism, but it's actually a pretty strong - if anecdotal - ratio. Anyway, fact is if we had a guy who was netting at every opportunity then you could start to scrutinise Rhodes' record. Truth is, we don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 Indeed. I fail to believe his chance to goal ratio is worse than any of the guys getting a game for Scotland before him. Happy to be proved wrong with evidence of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmacDFC Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 Indeed. I fail to believe his chance to goal ratio is worse than any of the guys getting a game for Scotland before him. Happy to be proved wrong with evidence of course. I reckon Naismith's must be pretty high. Albeit not a completely like for like comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54_and_counting Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 The point I'm making is that (particularly against decent teams) he won't get the numerous chances to score that he needs. As I've said I'd still play him against poorer teams and he's clearly a better player than Martin, but I'd still have Fletcher/Naismith ahead of Rhodes. Hopefully he gets more and more used to the 4231 formation and the role he needs to play, he's certainly already showing he's getting better at that role. what are fletcher and naismiths goals to shot ratio this season, just out of curiosity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest_Man#1 Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 what are fletcher and naismiths goals to shot ratio this season, just out of curiosity I have no idea, and I don't know what Rhodes' is either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Fifer Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 Based on whoscored.com (no idea if reputable), this season: Rhodes: 43 apps, 16 goals, 2.7 shots per game = 7.25% Fletcher: 33 apps, 6 goals, 1.7 shots per game = 9.35% Naismith: 25 apps, 5 goals, 1.2 shots per game = 5.20% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 Based on whoscored.com (no idea if reputable), this season: Rhodes: 43 apps, 16 goals, 2.7 shots per game = 7.25% Fletcher: 33 apps, 6 goals, 1.7 shots per game = 9.35% Naismith: 25 apps, 5 goals, 1.2 shots per game = 5.20% fucKin disgraceful drop them all every striker at St Johnstone is on over 20% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmc Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 Wait til the Rhodes haters see the stats that Mahrez had and yet he was PFA player of the year......hes certainly no fletcher or Martin..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeboy Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Wait til the Rhodes haters see the stats that Mahrez had and yet he was PFA player of the year......hes certainly no fletcher or Martin..... You do realise that the stats show Fletcher to be a better finisher, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 You do realise that the stats show Fletcher to be a better finisher, right? Which he clearly isn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Which he clearly isn't Maybe he is though. If Fletcher had spent his career in the lower leagues he would have probably scored a shit load and we would be having the exact opposite conversation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Maybe he is though. If Fletcher had spent his career in the lower leagues he would have probably scored a shit load and we would be having the exact opposite conversation nah, statistical anomaly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeboy Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 You've sat and rattled on about stats yet when they're provided and prove unequivocally that Fletcher has the best conversion rate of the two, you still cry foul? You're a fucking Tam McB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 You've sat and rattled on about stats yet when they're provided and prove unequivocally that Fletcher has the best conversion rate of the two, you still cry foul? You're a fucking Tam McB. this season. I talked about what conversion rates would be, and was correct. I didn't claim on their own they'd be proof of anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deeboy Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 this season. So if we are taking about fantastic goal scorers who are not in form, why don't we just call up Denis Law? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 So if we are taking about fantastic goal scorers who are not in form, why don't we just call up Denis Law? How many has he scored this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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