dubs Posted July 2, 2006 Share Posted July 2, 2006 Looks like I've got four pages of the following nonsense coming up, and I can't be arsed reading it - just to pick up on a few things though..... No he doesn't. At Wimbledon, Andy Murray represents Andy Murray. In the Davis Cup, he's British because it's a team sport, but in Grand Slam and ATP tournaments, he could just as well say he's representing the street he lives on as he could with Britain. Erm, tennis thread As for the match today (getting it back to tennis, and not a debate on the qualities of various international footballers), Murray proved today that he has the talent to beat the very best in a Grand Slam environment. His next round match is very winnable, but Baghdatis will feel the same way about it - it's in the quarter final that the real test arrives in the shape of either Lleyton Hewitt or David Ferrer. IMO the only thing that can hold Andy back is his fitness - his attitude isn't necesarrily a bad thing, as it can really help to fire him up, and is my favourite aspect in his game (in the same way that I really like Hewitt's "temper" on the court), but I'd still doubt his capabilities to handle a five set match at the moment. The strange thing though is that there is no reason why Andy can't reach the final this year - Baghdatis is beatable on any surface, never mind grass, he's beaten Hewitt in an ATP final before, and then he'd have Nadal in the semi on the Spaniard's weakest surface. The kid has the belief and the talent, and he seems to have luck on his side. Ideally, he'll need to avoid a five set marathon or two in the run-in, but he's got to believe after today that he can beat anyone on his day Well done Andy, bring on Baghdatis Good post. His fitness is the key. He would have made the final last year if he hadn't of pulled up with an injury. No danger he will touch Federer though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codfish Posted July 2, 2006 Share Posted July 2, 2006 Ha ha. Never argue with Coddy Yeah, very insightful there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted July 2, 2006 Share Posted July 2, 2006 Twynholm, stop making a cnut of yourself mate. Yes there are plenty of folk on here who revelled in seeing Enlgand fall today, but that is the end of it. You're being out of order in labelling all Englsih as 'scum' and saying you hate them. Do yourself a favour and wait until you're old enough, if you can't handle your ale just now. Goes to show what happens when one goes out drinking on an empty heed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David W Posted July 2, 2006 Share Posted July 2, 2006 No real argument against that, sorry, you seem to be talking in a different language to me. I support Scotland because I am Scottish, regardless of ability. Why don't you support Barcelona/Chelsea/Juventus instead of Clyde if that's your thinking? Ronaldinho/Shevchenko/Nedved or *insert mediocre Clyde player here*........difficult choice It's totally different. Club football is nothing like international football. I support Clyde, as I'm a Clyde fan. I support Spain as they've got good players and have a Liverpool connection. I am under no obligation to support Scotland in what is essentially a mickey mouse set of games. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Twynholm Posted July 2, 2006 Share Posted July 2, 2006 Twynholm, stop making a cnut of yourself mate. Yes there are plenty of folk on here who revelled in seeing Enlgand fall today, but that is the end of it. You're being out of order in labelling all Englsih as 'scum' and saying you hate them. Do yourself a favour and wait until you're old enough, if you can't handle your ale just now. Goes to show what happens when one goes out drinking on an empty heed. I am not drunk or anywhere near it Why should i stop laughing at England? and is it up too you what i do? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David W Posted July 2, 2006 Share Posted July 2, 2006 Twynholm, stop making a cnut of yourself mate. Yes there are plenty of folk on here who revelled in seeing Enlgand fall today, but that is the end of it. You're being out of order in labelling all Englsih as 'scum' and saying you hate them. Do yourself a favour and wait until you're old enough, if you can't handle your ale just now. Goes to show what happens when one goes out drinking on an empty heed. I can just see his face in the morning when he re-reads this thread 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codfish Posted July 2, 2006 Share Posted July 2, 2006 Good post. His fitness is the key. He would have made the final last year if he hadn't of pulled up with an injury. No danger he will touch Federer though. No point in competing if you've got the mentality that you can't beat the best IMO - as much as I think Federer's the best player I've ever seen on grass, his performance on the clay against Nadal a few weeks ago showed that he's far from invincible. He'll have it in the bag this year (not really a bad thing - the man is a joy to watch), but there's a lot of young guys (Murray included) that are gonna be real challengers in the next few years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Twynholm Posted July 2, 2006 Share Posted July 2, 2006 I can just see his face in the morning when he re-reads this thread So can i,What am i meant to be like 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted July 2, 2006 Share Posted July 2, 2006 So can i,What am i meant to be like Twynholm, not trying to be a c**t, but the vast majority of folk are in agreement that you're acting a bit like a fud tonight - a step back from the PC might not be the worst idea in the world right now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Twynholm Posted July 2, 2006 Share Posted July 2, 2006 Twynholm, not trying to be a c**t, but the vast majority of folk are in agreement that you're acting a bit like a fud tonight - a step back from the PC might not be the worst idea in the world right now. Its a laptop actually And i dont give a shit about fuds like David. Donr want too fall out with the good guys(Dubya) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H Wragg Posted July 2, 2006 Share Posted July 2, 2006 It's totally different. Club football is nothing like international football. I support Clyde, as I'm a Clyde fan. I support Spain as they've got good players and have a Liverpool connection. I am under no obligation to support Scotland in what is essentially a mickey mouse set of games. Spain's games are no more or less "Mickey Mouse" than Scotland's so why do you support them? One thing that can be said about England is that the whole nation supports their team with a passion. Unfortunately that doesn't happen to the same extent up here. This is mainly due to old firm supporters with an agenda but i'm surprised to see some "provincial club" supporters taking the same line on here. On a different note, I would say that Twynholm went over the score with his comments, but credit where credit's due:- £10 that Scotland will finish in the top 4, Deal? Put your money where your mouth is the measly response was:- 70p? which was countered with:- All mouth And there ended all correspondence. Be a man "David W" and put your money where your mouth is 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALL HÚNS 'n' TIMS ARE SCUM Posted July 2, 2006 Share Posted July 2, 2006 Britain's Murray Wait til he gets beat, he'll be Scotland's Murray. Bloody BBC!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted July 2, 2006 Share Posted July 2, 2006 No point in competing if you've got the mentality that you can't beat the best IMO - as much as I think Federer's the best player I've ever seen on grass, his performance on the clay against Nadal a few weeks ago showed that he's far from invincible. You cant compare clay and grass court tennis. Its like two different sports. I'd pick Nadal to beat Federer every day of the week on a clay court, but Id give you 100/1 that he beats him at Wimbledon. Murray has an outside shot of the final. He has no chance whatsoever of beating Federer on grass at this stage of his career and probably knows this. Played very well against Roddick, but Roddick really needs to go away and have a major rethink. Outside the top 10 in the world now and can only see things getting worse for him. I also agree with Sam that Murray is a Brit at Wimbledon. That is the country he represents, as you will see if you look on the Wimbledon site and see Murray (GBR). I think the commentators are very fair with the amount of times they mention he is a Scot. I cant believe how precious people get about that to be honest. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Drifter Posted July 2, 2006 Share Posted July 2, 2006 I can just see his face in the morning when he re-reads this thread Ironically, he'll read this thread and think he's been really on form. Twynholm mate, you really are a complete fanny at times. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Drifter Posted July 2, 2006 Share Posted July 2, 2006 As for the match today (getting it back to tennis, and not a debate on the qualities of various international footballers), Murray proved today that he has the talent to beat the very best in a Grand Slam environment. His next round match is very winnable, but Baghdatis will feel the same way about it - it's in the quarter final that the real test arrives in the shape of either Lleyton Hewitt or David Ferrer. IMO the only thing that can hold Andy back is his fitness - his attitude isn't necesarrily a bad thing, as it can really help to fire him up, and is my favourite aspect in his game (in the same way that I really like Hewitt's "temper" on the court), but I'd still doubt his capabilities to handle a five set match at the moment. The strange thing though is that there is no reason why Andy can't reach the final this year - Baghdatis is beatable on any surface, never mind grass, he's beaten Hewitt in an ATP final before, and then he'd have Nadal in the semi on the Spaniard's weakest surface. The kid has the belief and the talent, and he seems to have luck on his side. Ideally, he'll need to avoid a five set marathon or two in the run-in, but he's got to believe after today that he can beat anyone on his day Well done Andy, bring on Baghdatis He's not had much luck with the draw this year. Getting a seed in the first round was unfortunate but given that he was a clay specialist not a problem. But getting into the same quarter of the draw as Roddick and Hewitt, probably the best two grass players other than Federer was damned unfortunate and both are better players on the surface than Nadal and Nalbandian whose quarters would have been an easier chance to reach last four. To have beaten Roddick on grass is remarkable. To have done so in the manner he did and without Roddick playing at all badly was incredible. Easily the best I've seen Murray play. It would be a shame if he then blew it against Bhagdatis. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Drifter Posted July 2, 2006 Share Posted July 2, 2006 I also agree with Sam that Murray is a Brit at Wimbledon. That is the country he represents, as you will see if you look on the Wimbledon site and see Murray (GBR). I think the commentators are very fair with the amount of times they mention he is a Scot. I cant believe how precious people get about that to be honest. Absolutely spot on. Agree with every word of that, especially the last sentence. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boardroomshuffler Posted July 2, 2006 Share Posted July 2, 2006 I cannot remember Henman or Rusedski referred to as English,the Davis Cup matches were always referred to as Britain or Britains representives in the days before Murray. What i did hear on commentary though was the quote"Murray who comes from Dunblane in Scotland",then again i may have a Scottish TV and Archie McPherson was commentating. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarreZ Posted July 2, 2006 Share Posted July 2, 2006 Twynholm, stop making a cnut of yourself mate. Yes there are plenty of folk on here who revelled in seeing Enlgand fall today, but that is the end of it. You're being out of order in labelling all Englsih as 'scum' and saying you hate them. Do yourself a favour and wait until you're old enough, if you can't handle your ale just now. Goes to show what happens when one goes out drinking on an empty heed. You know very well, we saw the different side of English fans when we were away, we were with two guys who were embarassed by the antics of some of their fans, we met some great guys who we had a good discussion with, proper fans, and then the eng ur lund morons. Thats the guys we think of when we enjoy watching England getting defeated, for all the true and proper english supporters, im gutted for them, for the media and the morons, you got what you deserved. After the match yesterday, Sue Barker said "well done to Scotlands Andy Murray, Britain's hopes live on" or something like that, and there was nothing wrong with it, I supported Henman when he played, I support Murray when he plays (even tho he's a bit of a dull tube). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radford Posted July 2, 2006 Share Posted July 2, 2006 You sir are a twat. Would you say all this too the hardcore Scotland fans or are you just a keyboard gansta The later i think That says far more about the "harcore Scotland fans" than it does David. At Wimbledon, Andy Murray represents Andy Murray. In the Davis Cup, he's British because it's a team sport, but in Grand Slam and ATP tournaments, he could just as well say he's representing the street he lives on as he could with Britain. I disagree and I think whatever the official name is of the British tennis body will disagree too since they help fund Andy Murray! Murray seems to have been lucky in that his family have backed him well but a lot of guys (maybe not especially in Britain) wouldn't have a chance without funding from their national associations so I would say they do represent their country at every tournament they play in. Look at Peter Nicol, he has to represent a foreign country because of the lack of funding Sport Scotland were giving him. One thing that can be said about England is that the whole nation supports their team with a passion. ICTChris posted a something from an Everton forum the other day that shows that isn't the case. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy Posted July 2, 2006 Share Posted July 2, 2006 Monday. He's on second on Centre Court. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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