Bishop Briggs Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Jamaica has been criticised for having a very lax dope testing system. The leading Jamaican sprinters who have been banned recently are. Asafa Powell - banned in 2013 for taking a an amphetamine stimulant Yohan Blake (trains with Bolt) - banned for using stimulant in 2009 Veronica Campbell-Brown - banned in 2013 for taking a diuretic that is used as a masking agent Sherone Simpson - tested positive in 2013 for the same stimulant as Powell Shelly-Anne Fraser-Pryce - banned in 2010 for taking a narcotic Merlene Ottey tested positive in 1999 for nandrolone, an anabolic steroid. Her ban over-turned on appeal due to a technicality. She competed for Slovenia at the age of 52 in 2012 World Championships! Ben Johnson's won the Olympic 100m final in 9.79 before being disqualified for taking steroids. Usain Bolt's world record, set in 2009, is 9.58. All the others who have run faster than Johnson have failed doped tests - Justin Gatlin, Asafa Powell, and Tim Montgomery. Bolt has never tested positive so he must be clean! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Tyson Gay is American Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Tyson Gay is American Corrected. I was thinking about Bolt's colleagues and competitors who have served doping bans in recent years. The IAAF is like the UCI in the Armstrong era. Lord Coe's critical comments on the Sunday Times' recent doping articles remind of Verbruggen and McQuaid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 How does Bolt run so fast. The Grauniad had another explanation last year, genetics and aluminium in the Jamaican soil - http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/21/jamaicans-sprinting-athletics-commonwealth-games. "The first gene associated with powerful sprinting is the angiotensin-converting enzyme, or ACE, gene. If you have a particular variant of this gene (known as the “D allele”) you are likely to have a larger than average heart capable of pumping highly oxygenated blood to muscles quicker than the average human. That also gives your body a better response to training. In people of west African origin, the frequency of the variant is slightly higher than in those of European and Japanese origin. In Jamaica, it’s a little higher than in west Africa." "University of the West Indies researchers... discovered that a disproportionate number of Jamaica’s Olympians – including Usain Bolt and Veronica Campbell – come from the region containing the island’s aluminium ore deposits." Nothing to do with doping or poor testing at all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 All of this is very interesting but it doesnt change the fact that Linford Christie is a bawbag and Alan Wells was drug free Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 All of this is very interesting but it doesnt change the fact that Linford Christie is a bawbag and Alan Wells was drug free Was he though? Edited to reinforce the point that Christie is indeed a giant scrotum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ro Sham Bo Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 It's almost certain Bolt is on drugs. The same with Farah. In fact I imagine there are very few medalists at these world championships who are clean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Farah, Christie and Flo Jo were all 2nd rate athletes who miraculously turned into superstars late in life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 A man runs fast, must be a cheat. With no evidence whatsoever. Sad state we're in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamdunk Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 A man runs fast, must be a cheat. With no evidence whatsoever. Sad state we're in. The trouble is that when something seems superhuman, it usually is. As been shown everyone who has run under 9.7 has failed a drugs test except bolt. A previous article shows the tolerance rate for testosterone & hgh which means passing a drug test doesn't mean you haven't doped, but you're within an allowable zone. I'm very skeptical of all elite athletes tbh. It's not something that overly bothers me. If most are on it, it evens the playing field. It's just a shame that people can't be honest about it so noone really knows where they stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamdunk Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 This has always bothered me. Is there a definitive time that humans will simply not be able to run 100m in? And if so, what is it? Not sure what the limit is, but I think it's your tendons that limit it. You can't build them up with steroids etc like you can with muscles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
energyzone Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 You do realise Gatlin isn't cheating now, right? He got caught cheating in 2006 and was banned for 4 years then. Assuming he's been clean since 2010 (which he'd be mental not to be, considering what happened), the fact he cheated a decade ago is totally irrelevant to his running now. How do we know that drug use doesn't have a permanent effect on the body though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmare Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Was Gatlin beating Bolt whilst he was cheating? They very rarely directly competed before Gatlin was banned for 4 years. But at that time Bolt hadn't reached his peak and Gatlin was the fastest man in the world. So, yes, he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ro Sham Bo Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 A man runs fast, must be a cheat. With no evidence whatsoever. Sad state we're in. It is indeed. Doping in athletics will be at least as common as it is/was in cycling. It's hard to trust any athlete at the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmare Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 How do we know that drug use doesn't have a permanent effect on the body though? We don't, but I'm happy to make the assumption that him taking PEDs during the timeframe of 2001-2006 is irrelevant to his current level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The-coo-shed Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Didn't the Sunday Tunes expose of all the drugs cheats from 2005(?) until now effectively clear Farah and Bolt? Farah has always been there in 10,000. At the World Championships before London 2012 he was in the race until fading down the home straight. As for Bolt, sometimes you just have to believe in the guy. A bit like Froome in the cycling. He gets it rough because of Armstrong's Tour de France wins, but Armstrong was always very dodgy. He was getting slated by the Sunday Times for about 5 years before anyone took any notice. I 100% believe Bolt is clean. He is like Michael Johnson when he was breaking records in 200 and 400m. Just too good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuggie_Murray7 Posted August 30, 2015 Author Share Posted August 30, 2015 As for Bolt, sometimes you just have to believe in the guy. A bit like Froome in the cycling. He gets it rough because of Armstrong's Tour de France wins, but Armstrong was always very dodgy. He was getting slated by the Sunday Times for about 5 years before anyone took any notice. The absolute worst comparisson you could have used. Chris Froome is 100% on something. In the TDF this year Froome was ascending climbs faster that proven drug cheats have in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 He'd climb faster than me on drugs as well. Drugs don't necessarily make you faster than a better rider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 He'd climb faster than me on drugs as well. Drugs don't necessarily make you faster than a better rider. But would Linford (the b of the bang Christie) ar$e Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boostin' Kev Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 http://www.muscleweek.com/is-usain-bolt-on-steroids This link covers the points I was going to make. I think that most top level athletes, particularly in sports likes athletics and boxing are using some sort of combinations of PEDs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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