RISE - The "Scottish Syriza"

[Nizzy]

"I'm voting for RISE, because corporations can't solve climate change." - right, and your point is, fuckwit?

 

Who do they expect will fund the transition to a low carbon economy?

[ICTChris]

RISE got one more vote than the Scottish Unionist Party (bammed up Rangersy political party) in Glasgow.  One vote.

 

Solidarity came a bit higher but still more than 1,000 behind UKIP.

 

It's almost as if Scotland isn't awash with revolutionary socialists.

[Broomhill Ultra]

RISE got one more vote than the Scottish Unionist Party (bammed up Rangersy political party) in Glasgow. One vote.

Solidarity came a bit higher but still more than 1,000 behind UKIP.

It's almost as if Scotland isn't awash with revolutionary socialists.

Beaten by the Christian Party in every region I think? Also the NF in North East.

[Ivo den Bieman]

RISE will dissolve in infighting in the next couple of months. Atrocious result and still behind Solidarity despite weeks of bad publicity for them in the run up to the vote.

 

No surprise, really. Their whole pitch was an ill conceived disaster.

[invergowrie arab]

Lesley Riddoch claimed it was a great result for them as they had no media coverage?

I must have missed the Billy Britain Orange party getting write up in the National and Herald every other day to achieve their stunning result.

[Menzel]

Lost a tenner betting they'd get more than Solidarity. Absolutely pathetic result. 

[ICTChris]

Lesley Riddoch claimed it was a great result for them as they had no media coverage?

I must have missed the Billy Britain Orange party getting write up in the National and Herald every other day to achieve their stunning result.

 

They've had more articles than they got votes.  The Economist, of all places, bigged them up as a threat to the SNP this week.

 

Even with the relentless 'Yes family' '#indyref2', 'hopeoverfearhashtag' pish saw Tommy S fail spectacularly, less than a third of the UKIP vote in Glasgow.

[stonedsailor]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/galleries/2011/10/21/the-20th-century-s-deadliest-dictators-photos.html

The overall winner though is the Christian God who killed everyone in the world with the exception of one family.

[stonedsailor]

Free electricity. Ensuring all of his people had the means to build their own homes. Making sure not a single soul ever went hungry. That Gaddafi had a real wicked regime going on there.....

I had intended the headcount for the most murderous heads of regime to be the subject as it clearly shows that those with left of centre politics are more inclined to be responsible for atrocities.

[stonedsailor]

Only problem with these kind of statistics is how can it really be proven which murders were a direct result of the regime and which ones weren't?

Atrocities can be caused​ by people who oppose the regime. Yet the stats still fall on the government.

You brought Hitler in to it.

Are you changing the goal posts?

[stonedsailor]

Are you suggesting that the mass murder of over 6 million jews may have been caused by people who opposed Hitler?

The situation that occurred in Nazi ​Germany and the situation that occurred in modern day Libya are completely different.

As I said. The Lybian part of the article was not what I wanted you to focus on. Go and have a look at who the top two on the list of evil fuckers is then look at the politics of their regimes. They make Hitler look like a wee school bully in comparison.

[stonedsailor]

With a name like "The Daily Beast". It must be a real good source for accurate information.

Are you really arguing against the fact that Mao Zedong and Stalin are widely recognised as having been responsible for the deaths of at least 3 times the amount of human beings each that Adolf Hitler was?

[stonedsailor]

"Recognized" isn't "fact". It's the way people choose to look at history. Not history exactly as it was.

I'm not suggesting for on​e moment that Zedong and Stalin were top blokes. But when you're talking about millions upon millions of lives. How an earth can you accurately attribute how many of those lives were a direct result of the government in power at that time? There are so many factors that could have attributed to many of those deaths. Such as far right lunatic groups murdering supporters of the regime. Which still gets thrown into the statistics.

Ah, so because the figures don't suit your agenda you rubbish them but you are quite happy to accept figures as fact which suit your agenda?

[stonedsailor]

It's not about agendas. It about using logic and sense. Rather than throwing figures around which have a huge scope for inaccuracies.

Were the far right Nazi party responsible for the deaths of over 6 million jews? Well yes. The evidence was there at the time and some of that evidence still remains there now.

Was Stalin directly responsible for the murder of millions of Russians. Well yes, he was. However, just how many of those millions was he directly responsible for? Many of those slaughters may well have came from opposition groups that opposed his regime. There isn't a great deal of evidence to suggest one way or the other.

Why are your figures any more reliable than others?

[Lambie's Pigeon Feed]

Fucking hell UKIP, Solidarity, NF in NE and a Christian Mob bettering RISE is ridiculous (I'm just taking this front the last few posts on here).

The idea that they are far left revolutionaries is not true. I was in the SSP during the referendum, I tailed off after attending just 1 RISE event. But they were largely good people just trying to make the country fairer. Their point that free prescriptions and school meals, all embraced by the country and used as examples of Scottish progressiveness, all came from the SSP back in the day.

SNP majority, double figure Greens and 2 or 3 RISE would've been the perfect cocktail IMO.

They were too late to the party, in a low key election a new party largely unknown was always going to at struggle. Cat Boyd said somewhere that they needed around 17,000 votes to get her a seat from Glasgow, that was going to be a stretch but I thought there was a chance.

I mentioned who I was voting for to friends but didn't try to convince them much to vote for them like I did Yes in the referendum. All my mates with left wing views went SNP/Green which I was absolutely fine with, but because of that I'm disappointed in how few the Greens got too.

Very conservative country, I forget that too readily.

Edited May 6, 2016 by Lambie's Pigeon Feed

[WaffenThinMint]

Lesley Riddoch claimed it was a great result for them as they had no media coverage?

I must have missed the Billy Britain Orange party getting write up in the National and Herald every other day to achieve their stunning result.

 

This.

 

The media did everything they could to put this pig's breakfast of a political front into Holyrood and failed miserably.

 

Lost a tenner betting they'd get more than Solidarity. Absolutely pathetic result.

 

 

Fucking hell UKIP, Solidarity, NF in NE and a Christian Mob bettering RISE is ridiculous (I'm just taking this front the last few posts on here).

 

Not really - the public simply recognised which was the bigger shower of basket cases and ignored proportionally.

 

The irony is that all those in-your-face publicity stunts, all those grovelling articles in the press only served to show them up for the clown car collective they were - compromising past Scottish Socialist Party voters from back in the days they could win seats & making them realise their votes were better served with the SNP and especially the Greens: that their old comrades are now beyond saving, no matter what novelty bleach head they get to front them.

 

Now we can all grab the popcorn & enjoy as the recriminations & scapegoating commence as the latest hipster leftie project dissolves in self-righteous civil war - from the "Scottish Syriza" to the "Scottish Syria" in one easy lesson.

Edited May 6, 2016 by WaffenThinMint

[invergowrie arab]

People saying RISE would have added to Holyrood are guilty of projecting their idea of what an effective intelligent left wing party would look like onto a bunch of silly kids.

[Mr Bairn]

What an absolute minter this lot were

 

The only remaining question is does the alliance naturally drift apart or will they have bitter infighting leading to several warring factions contesting the next election?

[F_T_Y]

Pleasing that brother Tommy's Solidarity party won more than this lot.

[Sunrise]

RISE West candidate James McEnanay deserved better than the end result though, unlike too many in Holyrood he actually knows a lot of education.

Edited January 6, 2017 by Sunrise