WaffenThinMint Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Well this is certainly true, as I've pointed out myself some ten pages ago or so, what WTM seems to be saying here is some sort of abstract rant which goes for crude generalisations of the left rather than actual involvement and fact, i.e knows who SWSS are, well done him etc. Stopped listening to his left insights when he tried to compare the movement to modern day fascism about a page ago tbh. Didn't stop you replying to it, though, did it? Which makes me (& probably many others) suspect that for all your praise with faint damnings you're not quite so neutral on RISE as you care to feign yourself to be. And anyone who in the 21st century talks about "using the election to agitate and built a class-based movement, which they should really be doing" has just lost any right to call anyone else a bigot. Political movements based around the dominance of one class, race, or religion over all others (indeed, often to the intolerance of any others bar themselves existing proving their ultimate end-game) are ultimately viciously regressive in practice & deserve to remain in the dustbin of history where they belong. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menzel Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 I've never claimed to be 'neutral on RISE', brainiac. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StreetwiseHercules Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 I'm surprised at how decent the manifesto is.😂 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StreetwiseHercules Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 I have always felt the same antipathy for the far left as the far right. RISE and UKIP are as equal as they are opposite. I just laugh and shake my head at both. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMMjag Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Yeah the manifesto launch, and the antipathy towards its glaring mistakes, just shows them up as a shower of egotistic posturers who lack the professional refinement of the Greens or even the Socialists in 2003. When they lose all their deposits and realise that their posturing actually hits them in their own pockets, most of them will chuck it and the party will disband. The 'Scottish Syriza' indeed As someone who cares about Scotland positioning itself for a decisive push for independence in the near future, I won't be shedding any tears. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted April 20, 2016 Share Posted April 20, 2016 Yeah the manifesto launch, and the antipathy towards its glaring mistakes, just shows them up as a shower of egotistic posturers who lack the professional refinement of the Greens or even the Socialists in 2003. When they lose all their deposits and realise that their posturing actually hits them in their own pockets, most of them will chuck it and the party will disband. The 'Scottish Syriza' indeed As someone who cares about Scotland positioning itself for a decisive push for independence in the near future, I won't be shedding any tears. Syriza are also a massive joke so the comparison may be rather apt. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broomhill Ultra Posted April 21, 2016 Share Posted April 21, 2016 Political movements based around the dominance of one class, race, or religion over all others (indeed, often to the intolerance of any others bar themselves existing proving their ultimate end-game) are ultimately viciously regressive in practice & deserve to remain in the dustbin of history where they belong. Surely the point of Socialist parties is to eliminate class structures, not replace one dominant class with another? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Misandry is not a thing, especially in a patriarchal society. Brutally misandrist, woman-infantilising, and kid-brainwashing manifesto littered with misrepresentation from a feminist organisation. Par for the course. Feminism is ideology, nothing to do with equality. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Pretty sure that the SSP manifesto in 2003 wasn't costed at all. When asked about it they said that they knew they weren't going to get elected but wanted to show what they stood for and have a 'shopping list' for things they'd vote for in the Parliament. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted April 22, 2016 Share Posted April 22, 2016 Pretty sure that the SSP manifesto in 2003 wasn't costed at all. When asked about it they said that they knew they weren't going to get elected but wanted to show what they stood for and have a 'shopping list' for things they'd vote for in the Parliament.Andrew Nicoll had a piece in the sun this week saying that labour and the Tories were doing something similar. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaffenThinMint Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 (edited) From their own webshite's, or rather one of the SSP's Twitters: https://twitter.com/AyrshireSSP/status/722791840924176384 Aye, genius. Have someone manning the stall wearing a RANGERS top - that's going to get everyone bar fellow Orcs giving you a well earned GYTF before you've handed out a single leaflet. What an utter clown collective. Elsewhere, Neil Scott goes from Stop being nasty to RISE to slagging the shit out of them a mere twenty two days later. "At the end of the day we post pics of Craigy and da cool kidz standing on KFC tablez. I love da face of the capitalist wummin whose bag of chips I stood on. She got ketchup all over her tracky top as my black Vans with the sparkly sequinz stomped the capitalist muck into the table." Yes, very good Neil (dear oh dear, what have you been drinking laddie!) - clearly we need to stamp on the KFC chips as a prerequisite to stamping out the oppressive capitalist Tory oligarchy! Edited April 23, 2016 by WaffenThinMint 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mr Bairn Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 ImageUploadedByPie & Bovril1461445110.949955.jpg Imagine being a Hibs fan, what a minter 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thistle_do_nicely Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 The free at the point of use bit. Also, while personalised fossil fuel burning transport may not be sustainable in the long term, that assumes that - for example - electric personal transport won't be available. It almost certainly will. No doubt there needs to be a massive extention of public infrastructure in terms of rail networks, particulalry for freight - I just don't buy the idea that free at the point of use public transport is a goer, the sheer amount of money that would cost is eye watering. RISE is about radical change, and it wasn't a surprise to see radical proposals, but me, being a stickler for a sense of reality, was hoping for something workable. As noted, some of it is very backwards looking, other parts are simply not enforcable or unworkable. On phone and a bit of a shoot from the hip response to agree with you - is there not a couple of huge problems with free public transport for all along the lines of a) it'd cause a spike in demand for most services, particularly in peak times, that would be ruinously expensive for the state to cover the cost of improving the capacity of such services, let alone maintaining it, and b) that it disproportionately benefits people covering more miles in travel for their lifestyle/work yet presumably everyone foots the same proportion of the cost? Havent seen the proposals in fairness but i struggle to see how it could work. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted April 23, 2016 Share Posted April 23, 2016 ImageUploadedByPie & Bovril1461445110.949955.jpg Minter 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 On phone and a bit of a shoot from the hip response to agree with you - is there not a couple of huge problems with free public transport for all along the lines of a) it'd cause a spike in demand for most services, particularly in peak times, that would be ruinously expensive for the state to cover the cost of improving the capacity of such services, let alone maintaining it, and b) that it disproportionately benefits people covering more miles in travel for their lifestyle/work yet presumably everyone foots the same proportion of the cost? Havent seen the proposals in fairness but i struggle to see how it could work. B is a non issue. The NHS disproportionally benefits the sick and disabled and everyone foots the same proportion of the cost and that's kinda just how it works. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broomhill Ultra Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 On phone and a bit of a shoot from the hip response to agree with you - is there not a couple of huge problems with free public transport for all along the lines of a) it'd cause a spike in demand for most services, particularly in peak times, that would be ruinously expensive for the state to cover the cost of improving the capacity of such services, let alone maintaining it, and b) that it disproportionately benefits people covering more miles in travel for their lifestyle/work yet presumably everyone foots the same proportion of the cost? Havent seen the proposals in fairness but i struggle to see how it could work. There's already free bus travel for over 60's so if it was rolled out at a sensible pace I can't see how this is beyond the realms of possibility. I'd assume the Green's propose something similar? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Salmond's Gay Son Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 (edited) How many Judean people's fronts do these commies need? Just vote Greens or something you tards. Edited April 24, 2016 by Alex Salmond's Gay Son 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 I just remembered a thing I wanted to share. The other day on Byres Road a truck bedecked in RISE flags and such with a megaphone and a voice saying things went down towards Dumbarton Road. About five minutes later it went back in the opposite direction. Five minutes after that followed an ambulance and two police vans. Seemed proportionate. Sirens on, by the way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonMan Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 I just remembered a thing I wanted to share. The other day on Byres Road a truck bedecked in RISE flags and such with a megaphone and a voice saying things went down towards Dumbarton Road. About five minutes later it went back in the opposite direction. Five minutes after that followed an ambulance and two police vans. Seemed proportionate. Sirens on, by the way. Probably the most attention Rise have gotten all election tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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