renton Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 This could be the one that really opens the floodgates for all these upper class private school peadophiles , I wouldn't be surprised if there where dozens of them at it. .... Tory whip from the 70s Fortescue .....Then, Fortescue said problems involving members might be debt, or it might be a scandal involving small boys. They would come and ask if we could help, Fortescue said. And if we could we did, and we would do everything we could, because we could store up brownie points. Thats one of the reasons we would get a chap out of trouble because hed then be ours forever-more. Heath went to his local grammar school and went on to win a scholarship to Oxford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Yeah, Heath was of working class stock. He was soon well trained in the ways of the ruling class though as he rose through the ranks of the Beast Tory Party. Like someone on Twitter said, 'stop throwing all these dead paedos at us - what about the current crop?'. Don't tell me that none of the hundreds of debauched troughers in Parliament or Lords are currently at it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob the tank Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Yeah, Heath was of working class stock. He was soon well trained in the ways of the ruling class though as he rose through the ranks of the Beast Tory Party. Like someone on Twitter said, 'stop throwing all these dead paedos at us - what about the current crop?'. Don't tell me that none of the hundreds of debauched troughers in Parliament or Lords are currently at it? Exactly this. It seems to me the whole Heath investigation is just a smokescreen to hide the current crop of beasts. Somebody has got their backs as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 The current crop know it's a different climate. 30 years ago they could do as they wished and the scandal was kept out the papers. Doubt there's much chance of that now. If one of the current MPs is a nonce and a victim came forward we'd know all about it I reckon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Jack D Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 The current crop know it's a different climate. 30 years ago they could do as they wished and the scandal was kept out the papers. Doubt there's much chance of that now. If one of the current MPs is a nonce and a victim came forward we'd know all about it I reckon An alternative view could be that a dead person could hold no threat over a potential whistle blower but a living member of the establishment very much can. I'm of the view that it would be increrdibily difficult to assume that no member of the current political or media establishment are paedophiles given how rife it appears to have been as little as 15 years ago. I sincerely hope we don't wait until the current crop are dead before doing something about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim O'Grady Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 It's quite funny that bands in the 60s and 70s thought they were outrageous and depraved. They were like school kids compared to the establishment. Mick Jagger: I stuck a Mars bar up ma burds fanny. Ted Heath: Did ye, a rode a 9 year old boy and dumped him in the Channel. Beat that. Wasn't it during heath's premiership that the price of Mars bars fell, I would have thought he done it for Jagger's sake before this story broke, now I'm thinking he used them as kiddy treats for his fiddling. It's good to get both sides of the story so one can develop the full picture eh? I think there's more to the Cilla thing too, I reckon she had a secret mars fetish that was going to pop out & she either snuffed herself or she pretended to do it & is lying low in Spain's costa del crime region until things cool off & then she can do the best ever surprise surprise show EVER! Grimbo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Saints Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 I still find it strange that stuff like this is reported on the news before he's even been found guilty. Even if he's innocent, his reputation will be tarnished and his name will forever be associated with beastly behaviour. It shouldn't be so easy. I could quite easily say that Mary Berry stuck her finger up my bum when I was a toddler, but that doesn't mean it should be in the public domain from the moment I report it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 By putting it in the public domain it makes it easier for other potential victims to come forward. Since it essentially comes down to one person's word versus another it's much easier to find guilt if multiple people come forward and establish a pattern. Bear in mind the sheer trauma involved in being a victim of crimes like this and the further trauma in pursuing a charge and it's better all round that this is discussed as openly as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitnail Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 There was a really good interview from his private secretary (88-92) on Breakfast this morning. He basically said, even long after he was PM, Special Branch / the police / the secretary himself kept an extremely tight diary on Heath and will know where he is, and exactly who was with him, at all points. Visitors to his house were logged on time of entry and exit. Even on weekends off, the local police around his house had to know exactly what was happening and when. The implication being that if he is guilty of these things it must predate his time as PM, or even as a minister you would imagine. Otherwise, it raises the very real specter of the police, special branch, his secretary perpetrating a detailed cover up over a number of years. He argued this was unlikely given Heath was, according to him, never part of the establishment and actively hated by much of it. I have no idea if this was the case or not, but any Politician will have plenty of enemies and if there were winks of these allegations when he was alive plenty would benefit from airing it as loud as possible. Have watched that awful Kay Burley interview yesterday, this was actually really insightful. I guess we will wait and see the outcome of the respective investigations but it did give me a bit to think about and the (lack of) private life for current and former PMs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 I still find it strange that stuff like this is reported on the news before he's even been found guilty. Even if he's innocent, his reputation will be tarnished and his name will forever be associated with beastly behaviour. It shouldn't be so easy. I could quite easily say that Mary Berry stuck her finger up my bum when I was a toddler, but that doesn't mean it should be in the public domain from the moment I report it. He's unlikely to sue them, is he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted August 5, 2015 Author Share Posted August 5, 2015 I still find it strange that stuff like this is reported on the news before he's even been found guilty. Even if he's innocent, his reputation will be tarnished and his name will forever be associated with beastly behaviour. It shouldn't be so easy. I could quite easily say that Mary Berry stuck her finger up my bum when I was a toddler, but that doesn't mean it should be in the public domain from the moment I report it. Mary Berry? Starting the thread right now, you poor lamb! I agree with this. Even for less serious offences, it's awfy easy for people to have their lives ruined by liars, and there are plenty of those around. The problem is that the authorities seem incapable of handling private investigations, as a word or two from someone higher up the food chain results in the matter being dropped, often with the complainant being bullied into silence. All it seems to take is a few paedophile confederates (or brown-nosing sociopaths, who are more likely to work their way into positions of power anyway) to rise up the structure, and everything below dances to their tune. Not sure what you do about this, but outing everyone as soon as there's a complaint probably isn't the answer, as "no smoke without fire" seems to be tattooed onto our souls. Would be interested to hear opinions from our resident coppers, BTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 I'm of the view that it would be increrdibily difficult to assume that no member of the current political or media establishment are paedophiles given how rife it appears to have been as little as 15 years ago. I sincerely hope we don't wait until the current crop are dead before doing something about it. I find it difficult to assume no-one, out of a group that size, hasn't raped a boy. There will be at least one sitting MP who's done it. The days of these things being an open secret amongst those in power are gone now. I'd imagine/hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Mary Berry? Starting the thread right now, you poor lamb! I agree with this. Even for less serious offences, it's awfy easy for people to have their lives ruined by liars, and there are plenty of those around. The problem is that the authorities seem incapable of handling private investigations, as a word or two from someone higher up the food chain results in the matter being dropped, often with the complainant being bullied into silence. All it seems to take is a few paedophile confederates (or brown-nosing sociopaths, who are more likely to work their way into positions of power anyway) to rise up the structure, and everything below dances to their tune. Not sure what you do about this, but outing everyone as soon as there's a complaint probably isn't the answer, as "no smoke without fire" seems to be tattooed onto our souls. Would be interested to hear opinions from our resident coppers, BTW. Maybe just the one would do, or are you looking forward to another heads gone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MassiveFanDan Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 The days of these things being an open secret amongst those in power are gone now. I'd imagine/hope Not too sure about that... "When asked if other politicians hired escorts, he {Lord Sewel} replied: “I think there’s all sorts of things going on. Not in a great way – not with women. “I think the real problem is with, you know, erm… boys.”" http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/07/28/lord-sewel-told-prostitute-the-real-problem-is-politicians-with-boys/ --- It's terrible if an innocent man's name is being dragged through the mud when he's dead and unable to defend himself, but Heath's name has been associated with these kinds of stories for decades now. It might do his legacy some good to have them cleared up once and for all, one way or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Definite beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted August 5, 2015 Author Share Posted August 5, 2015 I find it difficult to assume no-one, out of a group that size, hasn't raped a boy. There will be at least one sitting MP who's done it. Aye, but by that logic, it's even more likely that a P&Ber has done the same. ...stop looking at me Maybe just the one would do, or are you looking forward to another heads gone? Bad man Just curious if any of our coppers have been warned off investigations without explanation. Obviously nothing as high-profile as a former PM and child abuse (presumably), but there's bound to have been times that they've been told not to pursue something and couldn't see a reason why. Probably not a lot the average copper could do about it without unleashing a shitstorm on themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Agree. This is well dodgy. #Westmonster Irvine WelshVerified account @IrvineWelsh Irvine Welsh retweeted Slate The fact that establishment are prepared to throw corpse of ex Tory PM under a bus suggests hiding something big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Stubbs Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 An Islamist preacher being charged, top headline everywhere. Former PM possibly a paedophile, down in fourth or fifth place. Today's online media is the most British thing ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Makes you proud so it does. Rule Britannia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 I still find it strange that stuff like this is reported on the news before he's even been found guilty. Even if he's innocent, his reputation will be tarnished and his name will forever be associated with beastly behaviour. It shouldn't be so easy. I could quite easily say that Mary Berry stuck her finger up my bum when I was a toddler, but that doesn't mean it should be in the public domain from the moment I report it. Better then than now with the state of the arthritis in her hands, it would be like getting probed by one of those claw grab machines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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