invergowrie arab Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Have we got any other takers for completely not getting the concept of loose regionalisation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverarover Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I have several questions regarding the new idea. 1- when would a manager have to start pre season training to be match fit for what Is supposedly a major competition? 2- How much extra will this cost in player wages? 3- When does the management get the chance to experiment with team set up and look at unregistered players and or trialists? All of the above for me thinks this is a stupid idea. I am all for summer football but you can't go half added at it. The full structure should change but because if two clubs it never will. Lower league clubs matches , lowland and highland leagues and junior if required should be played at different times to try to increase crowds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Have we got any other takers for completely not getting the concept of loose regionalisation? How loose is it. Obvious things like Stranraer, QOS, Berwick and Annan can't be in groups with Ross County, ICT, Aberdeen, Peterhead and Elgin are achievable. But who fills out the two groups seeded with ICT and County? Does that burden fall on the same few teams like Forfar and Montrose who would prefer to be in a group St Johnstone or the Dundee clubs. And even those 4 teams wouldn't be enough to fill two groups so next closest are the teams in Fife and around Stirling. And when 6 hour midweek roundtrips are a part of a regional group the term "regional" is so loose it becomes meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 What's our penalty record like? Off the top of my head I can only remember losing in the Challenge Cup Final and in the Playoffs. We must've won one that I've forgotten, hopefully? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Only real criticism is the seeding element. A free for all every season would be far more exciting. Apart from that, nice to see something different. Hopefully this is a part of the competition Aberdeen never have to worry about anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 How loose is it. Obvious things like Stranraer, QOS, Berwick and Annan can't be in groups with Ross County, ICT, Aberdeen, Peterhead and Elgin are achievable. But who fills out the two groups seeded with ICT and County? Does that burden fall on the same few teams like Forfar and Montrose who would prefer to be in a group St Johnstone or the Dundee clubs. And even those 4 teams wouldn't be enough to fill two groups so next closest are the teams in Fife and around Stirling. And when 6 hour midweek roundtrips are a part of a regional group the term "regional" is so loose it becomes meaningless. Basically two "regions". So no ICT v Annan but yes you might get Arbroath v Ross county or Dumbarton v Berwick. It's basically to stop the most extreme examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I actually can't find anything official re seeding or regionalisation Has this been confirmed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 STV: http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/hearts/1335126-clubs-to-get-bonus-points-for-penalty-shootout-wins-in-new-league-cup/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILLIEA Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Remember it from the last time we had it - fucking terrible. Very much this! There is a very good reason why groups were scrapped. Crowds were abysmal and will be again ( after a possible wee flurry of enthusiasm ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I actually can't find anything official re seeding or regionalisation Has this been confirmed? There is no plan because the SPFL board have just announced this without making all the details clear. There is a whole section in the current Rules of The SPFL about the League Cup that documents the draw procedure and seedings. They haven't produced a similar document which make the changes clear. The current SPFL Board is made up of Neil Doncaster (CEO), Ralph Topping (Chairman), Eric Riley (Celtic), Stephen Thompson (Dundee United), Duncan Fraser (Aberdeen), Eric Drysdale (Raith Rovers), Mike Mulraney (Alloa Athletic) and Ken Ferguson (Brechin City). These clubs in particular have always been quick to criticise a lack of clarity and professionalism in the administation of the game but have a announced a half finished plan while leaving Member Clubs in the dark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 STV: http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/hearts/1335126-clubs-to-get-bonus-points-for-penalty-shootout-wins-in-new-league-cup/ At least the last 16 is unseeded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7-2 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Of course they've sneakily slipped in the 'winter break' which I doubt the majority of fans are for. Is it 4 international breaks we already have? If so that'll be 6 Saturdays with no top league football during the season, maybe 7 if Celtic fix up another money spinning friendly. Great thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I dont know why theyr so keen on regions for this. Its in july ffs! As has been said before you cant predict bad weather in scotland but you can be absolutely sure its going to be light untill after 10pm in july and dark at 4pm in january. Regardless of the weather if theres a time to be doing long distance away games its the summer. If theres a time to have a wee break its january Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owsley Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 274 at Dumbarton-Alloa tonight. If that was game 3 and both had lost their first two, that would look like a good turn out. Even if it's taps aff weather, a tenner for that would be a waste of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OchilWell Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Would have preferred a rugby world cup style 'bonus point', something like an extra point for scoring 3 goals or more. Regardless if you win the game or not you get the extra point. Would add extra excitement and encourage attacking play, which fans and the new TV audience and would appreciate. The penalty bonus point is naff, a lottery and will reward 0-0 with potentially 2 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpoonTon Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 274 at Dumbarton-Alloa tonight. If that was game 3 and both had lost their first two, that would look like a good turn out. Even if it's taps aff weather, a tenner for that would be a waste of money. I think that's why they need to do something like allow the following 16 teams to qualify for a revamped Challenge Cup, i.e. if qualification for the next round of the League Cup slips away quickly you can then essentially move on to trying to qualifying for the next round of the Challenge Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanburn Dave Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 8 million quid for the league Cup..........why am I picturing in my mind glitter on a turd ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I think that's why they need to do something like allow the following 16 teams to qualify for a revamped Challenge Cup, i.e. if qualification for the next round of the League Cup slips away quickly you can then essentially move on to trying to qualifying for the next round of the Challenge Cup. Solid shout that. Essentially making the challenge cup the UEFA cup equivalent to the league cup's champions league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ro Sham Bo Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Would have preferred a rugby world cup style 'bonus point', something like an extra point for scoring 3 goals or more. Regardless if you win the game or not you get the extra point. Would add extra excitement and encourage attacking play, which fans and the new TV audience and would appreciate. The penalty bonus point is naff, a lottery and will reward 0-0 with potentially 2 points. That's a much better idea than the proposal outlined yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I think that's why they need to do something like allow the following 16 teams to qualify for a revamped Challenge Cup, i.e. if qualification for the next round of the League Cup slips away quickly you can then essentially move on to trying to qualifying for the next round of the Challenge Cup. Awful idea... In football terms it's bad enough that the chances of progressing in LC are now so low for small clubs, let alone restricting CC to 16 out of 40... Those clubs which finished 4th / 5th would get no cup-tie football whatsoever all season, except the Scottish Cup. Madness. Leave the CC alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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