The Terrible Journalism & Tom English Thread

[Charles Stiles]

What an outstanding pyrrhic victory for all the pro-bigots who, in 'trying to save Scottish football', killed it. Everyone involved in the process should hang their heads in shame, if they knew what shame was.


 

[SlipperyP]

7 hours ago, gannonball said:

Wtf is Henry Mcleish always seen as some sort of oracle about Scottish football issues or am I missing something? He wrote a report that told us next to nothing and achieved nothing about a decade ago.

To be honest @HibeeJibee is being kind in his write up of 'our Henry'.

I would just say he's a bit of c**t. Played for East Fife got injured, went back to school and become a politician.

I've had the pleasure of meeting him a few times, he shakes hands like a wet fish.

[Monkey Tennis]

7 hours ago, Clown Job said:

Did they not believe Sky would have pulled the plug on Scottish football altogether? 

I also seem to remember people suggesting the TV deal was void without a certain number of Celtic vs Rangers games 

Of course never seen anything to back this up

The reality is that the deal was dependent on being able to show Celtic games and Rangers games.  That's why it was renegotiated to allow SFL games to be broadcast and its it's what led ultimately to the welcome merging of the league bodies.

The idea that it relied massively on OF fixtures themselves was basically fallacious.  

The joke of course was, that the Sky deal was of massively exaggerated significance to the wider game anyway.  Its distribution model has improved a little since, but at that time it was hugely skewed in the OF's favour, in that it was given out as prize money with the top two taking relatively big and similar sums, before a huge drop-off to third.

Like so much of the narrative, points made in support of some greater good, were actually in support of yet greater harm.

[DA Baracus]

10 hours ago, Monkey Tennis said:

I think the calculation was very sound and involved some people really, really not wanting Rangers to suffer.

This much is clear.

9 hours ago, Ray Patterson said:

Remember there was a rumour that Rangers were going to buy out St Mirren and do an Airdrie - obviously never went anywhere, thank goodness.

Was there not a rumour of them doing it to Cowdenbeath as well?

9 hours ago, Clown Job said:

Did they not believe Sky would have pulled the plug on Scottish football altogether? 

I also seem to remember people suggesting the TV deal was void without a certain number of Celtic vs Rangers games 

Of course never seen anything to back this up

Perhaps, but unsure why that would have seen those 5 specific clubs dead within a month.

[bennett]

 

2 hours ago, Monkey Tennis said:

The reality is that the deal was dependent on being able to show Celtic games and Rangers games.  That's why it was renegotiated to allow SFL games to be broadcast and its it's what led ultimately to the welcome merging of the league bodies.

The idea that it relied massively on OF fixtures themselves was basically fallacious.  

The joke of course was, that the Sky deal was of massively exaggerated significance to the wider game anyway.  Its distribution model has improved a little since, but at that time it was hugely skewed in the OF's favour, in that it was given out as prize money with the top two taking relatively big and similar sums, before a huge drop-off to third.

Like so much of the narrative, points made in support of some greater good, were actually in support of yet greater harm.

Without the Sky deal the top flight of Scottish football may have been in trouble,  imo the reason why the SPL were so desperate to 'merge' with the SFl (who held the SevTV rights).

 

 

10 hours ago, Ray Patterson said:

Remember there was a rumour that Rangers were going to buy out St Mirren and do an Airdrie - obviously never went anywhere, thank goodness.

Didn't one of Whyte's cronies make a joint offer with a StMirren director to buy StMirren?

It's probably on the bralt if anyone can be arsed looking. 

 

 

 

 

[Dons_1988]

I doubt the tv deal was under any real threat. Scottish football is pocket change to sky. What it did do is give them leverage in any negotiation. As is natural when your supplier is dumb enough to negotiate a deal reliant on two clubs. 

But even then, when you find yourself in a position where sky have you by the balls, do you a) make a pragmatic plan to demonstrate the value of the whole league beyond the OF and show sky that what they’re paying for is worth it or b) do you run around with your hair on fire screaming that the tv deal is dead and all of the clubs are about to hit the wall unless we completely abandon any semblance of a fair pyramid system? 

[dysartrovers]

To be honest [mention=11024]HibeeJibee[/mention] is being kind in his write up of 'our Henry'.
I would just say he's a bit of c**t. Played for East Fife got injured, went back to school and become a politician.
I've had the pleasure of meeting him a few times, he shakes hands like a wet fish.

What other kind of fish is there really? [emoji1745]

[Monkey Tennis]

8 minutes ago, dysartrovers said:

What other kind of fish is there really?

I was also interested to learn that fish shake hands at all.

[forkboy]

28 minutes ago, dysartrovers said:

What other kind of fish is there really?

Dried, smoked fish

[bennett]

27 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

I was also interested to learn that fish shake hands at all.

 

They do have fingers....

[Boghead ranter]

2 hours ago, Monkey Tennis said:

I was also interested to learn that fish shake hands at all.

Jelly.

[The DA]

2 hours ago, dysartrovers said:

What other kind of fish is there really?

[tamthebam]

3 hours ago, dysartrovers said:

What other kind of fish is there really?

Silverfish, although they may be quite wet.

And Hibs' new signing and this burd

[craigkillie]

The deal in 2012 wasn't just with Sky, it was a combined deal with Sky and ESPN. Therefore neither partner was going to be able to drive the price down too much for fear that the other would outbid them to go it alone.

The post above from bennett about the merger being driven by the TV rights is wrong, and is an example of one of the myths Rangers fans have developed over the years. The SPL agreed a five year deal with Sky and ESPN in July 2012 (ie after Rangers had joined the SFL), and this included the rights for Rangers matches, for which the SPL had already agreed to pay the SFL an annual fee of £1m a year for three years.

https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/sky_re_works_spl_contract_to_include_rangers_matches/

[gannonball]

26 minutes ago, craigkillie said:

The deal in 2012 wasn't just with Sky, it was a combined deal with Sky and ESPN. Therefore neither partner was going to be able to drive the price down too much for fear that the other would outbid them to go it alone.

I thought ESPN had pretty much announced they were withdrawing from the UK market by that point?

[Ewan8472]

8 hours ago, dysartrovers said:

What other kind of fish is there really?

Wolfies

[Hoose Rice]

9 hours ago, dysartrovers said:

What other kind of fish is there really?

[Loonytoons]

Silverfish, although they may be quite wet.
And Hibs' new signing and this burd

Ah The McKenzies...

Quite like Samantha Fash too by and by.

[Charles Stiles]

12 minutes ago, Hoose Rice said:

His signing qualified for both this and the tinpot thread with the BBC Scotland website asking for Fish puns in their ongoing deadline day coverage. It's 2022 in the rest of the world.

[Shotgun]

12 hours ago, dysartrovers said:

What other kind of fish is there really?

 

9 hours ago, Boghead ranter said:

Jelly.

Fish jelly sounds fucking horrible.