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Not that anyone gives a feck but Edinburgh City had to field 7 different goalies last season due to injuries. 

We got two on loan from Rangers and Hearts at various points, played a trialist at Annan, signed East Kilbride's keeper for a couple of games before he emigrated and were still second in L2 when the football stopped 

What's Goodwin moaning about?

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9 hours ago, tamthebam said:

Not that anyone gives a feck but Edinburgh City had to field 7 different goalies last season due to injuries. 

We got two on loan from Rangers and Hearts at various points, played a trialist at Annan, signed East Kilbride's keeper for a couple of games before he emigrated and were still second in L2 when the football stopped 

What's Goodwin moaning about?

Without wanting to sound sarcastic, you do realise there is a pandemic on the go. To bring in a keeper at the very last moment, and one that had been regularly tested, was extremely difficult. While Zlamal is hardly a great choice, he is probably about the best we could have hoped for at such short notice and that was only confirmed pretty much within hours of the game kicking off.

While it was clearly a difficult situation for Edinburgh city, they had the luxury of being able to source 7 different keepers that were available to them. Goodwin said he had a long list of players he could have brought in, none of them would have matched the current testing guidelines.

It's not just that we lost all our keepers, it was the very specific circumstances that made getting a replacement very difficult that "Goodwin was moaning about".

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On 13/09/2020 at 10:33, Ric said:

That's a little bit disingenuous the way you represent that. Raith were able, should finances decree, to bring in a keeper should they wish. They chose not to, or were unwilling to, the situation here is that Goodwin was hamstrung by virus restrictions and testing so that avenue was not available to us or was at the very least extremely hampered. He has a list of keepers we could have brought in.

 

Obviously the Raith situation was entirely down to their own gross incompetence whereas St Mirren have suffered terrible luck and were powerless to prevent the situation due to a global pandemic, but this is full of contradictions.

That avenue clearly was available to St Mirren, considering the fact they did bring in a goalkeeper before the game without any need for a postponement. If it had genuinely been impossible to do so you might have had a point here, but it wasn't and you don't.

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4 minutes ago, Dunning1874 said:

That avenue clearly was available to St Mirren, considering the fact they did bring in a goalkeeper before the game without any need for a postponement. If it had genuinely been impossible to do so you might have had a point here, but it wasn't and you don't.

The contradiction you have pointed out is perhaps reading something into my comment that wasn't there, or least intended to be read as such. The "should they wish" was in context of Raith's decision at the time, they chose not to, but they could have should they have wished to do. I never said it was impossible for us to bring in another keeper as you allude to, I merely pointed out the difficulty in getting another keeper in. You even highlighted that part.

I think the point here is the very specific circumstances that later on in the season will be less constraining. We needed to find a club willing to allow one of their keepers to come (and there could be a multitude of reasons for that) a keeper willing to come, and a keeper that is match fit who had been through a series of recent tests. In Scotland that really only left the SPFL and Hearts. We couldn't bring in a keeper from down South/abroad as we couldn't get international clearance, not least because of the timescales we were dealing with.

I'm not throwing myself on the ground here and doing a Hearts "the whole league is against us, this is a conspiracy especially targetted at St Mirren", it's just one of bad luck and timing, not least because a keeper is such a specialised position.

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7 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said:

It's harsh on St Mirren but it's clear the league want to send a message that as long as the government/clinicians are comfortable it's safe, you're not getting games postponed for Covid isolation.

I think most St Mirren fans take that as being the situation. The SPFL could have been a bit more flexible and the irony of the midweek game is of course that it was from a previously postponed game due to Celtic's player acting irresponsibly not even that he had contracted the virus. Celtic were in a considerably better place to play their game with their players missing against us and still run out comfortable winners!

We'll just need to see what happens should the situation arise again, not that I'd wish that on another team - no schadenfruede here.

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16 minutes ago, Ric said:

I think most St Mirren fans take that as being the situation. The SPFL could have been a bit more flexible and the irony of the midweek game is of course that it was from a previously postponed game due to Celtic's player acting irresponsibly not even that he had contracted the virus. Celtic were in a considerably better place to play their game with their players missing against us and still run out comfortable winners!

We'll just need to see what happens should the situation arise again, not that I'd wish that on another team - no schadenfruede here.

Fucking right there will be schadenfreude if it happens to anyone else.

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20 minutes ago, Arch Stanton said:

Fucking right there will be schadenfreude if it happens to anyone else.

If it's refereeing decisions? Sure. Or a fall from grace when someone has been a dick, again sure. Watching a team get relegated after them berating us for years? Oh, hell yes, I'm all aboard that train! :D

I think with the whole health thing I'm a bit more reticent regarding a "gotcha" moment.

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1 hour ago, Dons_1988 said:

It's harsh on St Mirren but it's clear the league want to send a message that as long as the government/clinicians are comfortable it's safe, you're not getting games postponed for Covid isolation.

Its not like its a suprise to the teams either. I'm fairly certain it would have been made clear to the clubs pre restart. 

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Most St Mirren fans accept the situation as it is regarding Saturday’s game. However, what if more players test positive this week? Potentially that has put Hibs and maybe Celtic squads at risk as well. Without wanting to be over dramatic I suspect that this may well happen at some point during the season.

 

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Inconsistency is what winds me up more than anything.

Shaugnessy's red card vs Ross County was absolutely a red... so why wasn't the County player given a red for a very similar offence in the first half? Willie Collum's laser-focused vision that enabled him to spot the Shaughnessy tackle from the touchline seemed to desert him at the weekend when missing two clear and critical handballs from the Hibs players. (Wouldn't have changed the outcome, but 2-1 is better than 3-0.) Jamie McGrath stuck out a leg and got tripped on the edge of the box vs Rangers at Ibrox and it wasn't given. I was fine with that in itself because he was totally looking for it, but I felt aggrieved because I'm 100% certain what Dallas would have given had it happened at the other end.

The whole scenario with Saturday's game therefore doesn't bother me, tbh, as long as it's applied consistently. It was desperately unlucky, because it happened to be all of our keepers, but that's us being a victim of circumstance, as opposed to specific unfairness.

As long as this is applied to everyone else in the same way, and I'm sure it will be, then we're golden.

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Collum's got previous for x-ray vision.

He awarded Rangers a very late penalty (shocking eh?) for a "handball" by Blair Alston when BA had his back to him and his hands in front of him. Other players were blocking the view too.

Thankfully Rogers saved Waghorn's penalty.

I will draw a discreet veil over the penalty he awarded us for a trip on Sir William of Vaulkshire in the same game, although to be fair that would have probably been linesman's call.

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2 hours ago, Ranaldo Bairn said:

Collum's got previous for x-ray vision.

He awarded Rangers a very late penalty (shocking eh?) for a "handball" by Blair Alston when BA had his back to him and his hands in front of him. Other players were blocking the view too.

Thankfully Rogers saved Waghorn's penalty.

I will draw a discreet veil over the penalty he awarded us for a trip on Sir William of Vaulkshire in the same game, although to be fair that would have probably been linesman's call.

Maybe the assistant referee saw it and told Collum.

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Fully what I expected, but the above advertised article wasn't an analysis of all the games on Sportscene, and is just a PR puff piece all about how Rangers deserved to beat Hibs and will still win the league.

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