Salvo Montalbano Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 Was it a major shock? St Mirren, decent at home and not long after having beating Celtic there up against a Rangers team who have been struggling for weeks, recently drew at home to Livingston, who have been booed off by their own fans even when winning and who may well be changing manager in the World Cup break. I wasn't hugely surprised to see St Mirren a goal up when I was heading to the game on Saturday. I was even less surprised when I saw their equaliser was a late penalty, regardless of how much of a penalty it was. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted November 14, 2022 Share Posted November 14, 2022 21 hours ago, craigkillie said: Even when it is? That's a lot of major shocks for Rangers this season then? How frequent do major shocks need to be, in order for them to cease being major? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 Rangers have won 10 of their 14 matches not against Celtic this season, so the fact that you consider that "a lot" that they haven't won says a lot about it. St Mirren had lost 12 league games in a row against Rangers before this one. Here are several examples of bigger clubs across the UK being "held" to draws by smaller ones, as reported in lots of different publications. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/sep/25/liverpool-held-to-thrilling-draw-at-brentford-after-wissa-grabs-his-chance https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/nunez-sees-red-liverpool-held-home-draw-by-palace-2022-08-15/ https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20221019-chelsea-held-in-brentford-stalemate https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63274131 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 18 hours ago, craigkillie said: Rangers have won 10 of their 14 matches not against Celtic this season, so the fact that you consider that "a lot" that they haven't won says a lot about it. St Mirren had lost 12 league games in a row against Rangers before this one. Here are several examples of bigger clubs across the UK being "held" to draws by smaller ones, as reported in lots of different publications. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/sep/25/liverpool-held-to-thrilling-draw-at-brentford-after-wissa-grabs-his-chance https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/nunez-sees-red-liverpool-held-home-draw-by-palace-2022-08-15/ https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20221019-chelsea-held-in-brentford-stalemate https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63274131 What on earth are those examples meant to er... exemplify? Of course the language of "hold" is applied when two mismatched sides play out a draw. Literally nobody is disputing this. The point on Saturday, however, is that the big club only got a point at all by virtue of a very late penalty. To suggest that St Mirren somehow held out for a point is therefore misleading. Deliberately so. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoF Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 Can I suggest this matter is referred to the football cliches podcast? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 On 14/11/2022 at 17:19, Monkey Tennis said: That's a lot of major shocks for Rangers this season then? How frequent do major shocks need to be, in order for them to cease being major? Or even shocks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raidernation Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 Wasn't sure where to put this, here seems as good as any. Seems like Andy's been on the vino again Quote "He's coming up against the world's best right-back in Trent, Oh. My. Word. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loonytoons Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 What on earth are those examples meant to er... exemplify? Of course the language of "hold" is applied when two mismatched sides play out a draw. Literally nobody is disputing this. The point on Saturday, however, is that the big club only got a point at all by virtue of a very late penalty. To suggest that St Mirren somehow held out for a point is therefore misleading. Deliberately so.There were a further 16 minutes of play after the equaliser. That's hardly a very late penalty tbf. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugna Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 18 hours ago, Monkey Tennis said: The point on Saturday, however, is that the big club only got a point at all by virtue of a very late penalty. To suggest that St Mirren somehow held out for a point is therefore misleading. Deliberately so. Yes, that was exactly the point that I was trying to make. I didn't expect it to be controversial: St Mirren were pegged back from a win to a draw, they didn't spend the 90 minutes on Rangers' coat-tails, trying to scrape the draw. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Manhattan Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 On 11/11/2022 at 06:13, HeWhoWalksBehindTheRows said: In the first episode when they leave their home planet and go into stasis, their all naked and you can see her boobs. I had it in the sticker album bitd. My advice would be to not go looking for that with a Google Image search, certainly not at work, and especially not if you're likely to be perturbed by the wilder excesses of the "furry" community. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 3 hours ago, Loonytoons said: There were a further 16 minutes of play after the equaliser. That's hardly a very late penalty tbf. 84th minute goals don't arrive late? Ok. If you say so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loonytoons Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 84th minute goals don't arrive late? Ok. If you say so.That's late without a doubt.16 minutes to the final whistle has never been called very late though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 1 hour ago, Loonytoons said: That's late without a doubt. 16 minutes to the final whistle has never been called very late though. Yet, 6 minutes short of the 90 has, and always will be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loonytoons Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 Yet, 6 minutes short of the 90 has, and always will be.Holy shit. Are you really going to push that 16 minutes of game time left falls into the "really late" category for an equalising goal.It'll be interesting to hear what your thoughts are when games are held up for 30 odd minutes due to flood light failure at half time and there's a winning goal 106 minutes after kick off. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 8 hours ago, Loonytoons said: Holy shit. Are you really going to push that 16 minutes of game time left falls into the "really late" category for an equalising goal. It'll be interesting to hear what your thoughts are when games are held up for 30 odd minutes due to flood light failure at half time and there's a winning goal 106 minutes after kick off. It won't be that interesting really. My response will be as rational as this one. No such delay happened on Saturday so it's not relevant. A goal scored between say, about 4.40 and 4.45 in a game held up for half an hour due to floodlight failure, wouldn't be posted as having been scored in the 84th minute, would it now? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Monkey Tennis said: It won't be that interesting really. My response will be as rational as this one. No such delay happened on Saturday so it's not relevant. A goal scored between say, about 4.40 and 4.45 in a game held up for half an hour due to floodlight failure, wouldn't be posted as having been scored in the 84th minute, would it now? Celtic and sevco drop around 20 to 24 points a season out of 114, the consistency of winning the league. I don't see it as a shock, i agree when it happens all the credit should go to the opposition. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loonytoons Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 It won't be that interesting really. My response will be as rational as this one. No such delay happened on Saturday so it's not relevant. A goal scored between say, about 4.40 and 4.45 in a game held up for half an hour due to floodlight failure, wouldn't be posted as having been scored in the 84th minute, would it now?I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree what is more relevant to what constitutes a very late goal; the ref blowing the whistle at the start of the match or the end of it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 35 minutes ago, Loonytoons said: 12 hours ago, Monkey Tennis said: It won't be that interesting really. My response will be as rational as this one. No such delay happened on Saturday so it's not relevant. A goal scored between say, about 4.40 and 4.45 in a game held up for half an hour due to floodlight failure, wouldn't be posted as having been scored in the 84th minute, would it now? I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree what is more relevant to what constitutes a very late goal; the ref blowing the whistle at the start of the match or the end of it. Christ, I thought I was bad for needing the last word. What was all the additional time for on Saturday anyway? I only heard the result later. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dundee Hibernian Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 23 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: Christ, I thought I was bad for needing the last word. Aye, but now you've had the last word. Apart from me, I've just had the last word. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, Dundee Hibernian said: Aye, but now you've had the last word. Apart from me, I've just had the last word. I've had the last word. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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