Doctor Manhattan Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 2 hours ago, NorthernLights said: STV giving the Scottish Premiership a touch of "The Barclays" by talking about a "Big Seven" https://news.stv.tv/sport/football/six-classic-recent-derbies-with-big-seven-back-in-premiership?top They call it "the traditional ‘big seven" but I can't say I've ever heard it being used until this very article. Based solely on a quick Google search, the phrase "big seven" didn't exist on the internet in this context until about 9 hours ago. The earliest mention I can see was in the Dundee Courier, so it's entirely possible this was originally the work of some 16-year work experience student in the newsroom getting overly excited about the Dark Blues' unexpected return to the big time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 2 hours ago, NorthernLights said: STV giving the Scottish Premiership a touch of "The Barclays" by talking about a "Big Seven" https://news.stv.tv/sport/football/six-classic-recent-derbies-with-big-seven-back-in-premiership?top They call it "the traditional ‘big seven" but I can't say I've ever heard it being used until this very article. Who is the seventh? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dundee Hibernian Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, ropy said: Who is the seventh? That's got to be the Dark Blues. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Manhattan Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, ropy said: Who is the seventh? Not us, would you believe. I'm actually slightly surprised the last time the supposed "big seven" were together was as recently as 2005. With Dundee, Dundee United and Hearts in the mix, and Rangers all-too-short period of exile, it feels like it should be a lot longer ago. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 39 minutes ago, Dundee Hibernian said: That's got to be the Dark Blues. Dundee? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dundee Hibernian Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 4 hours ago, ropy said: Dundee? Was trying to work it out from the perspective of STV, not my own. I see the problem. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewh Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 STV giving the Scottish Premiership a touch of "The Barclays" by talking about a "Big Seven" https://news.stv.tv/sport/football/six-classic-recent-derbies-with-big-seven-back-in-premiership?top They call it "the traditional ‘big seven" but I can't say I've ever heard it being used until this very article.That’s hilarious. How have the traditional big seven fared recently? Big seven? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 #TB7 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 By what possible measure - not preceding colour television - would Dundee be part of a "Big" anything . I suppose until recently Rangers, Celtic, Hearts, Hibs, Aberdeen + Dundee United (plus Kilmarnock + Motherwell) were a sort of "Big 6" (or "8") as they'd been fixtures in top tier since 1990s. However since 2012 you've had Rangers go bust and spend 4 seasons outwith elite level... Hearts relegated twice and bounce-back... Hibs spend 3yrs down... Dundee Utd spend 4yrs... I'm also unconvinced you can have any sort of "Big 6" or "7" or "8" in a division of 12 . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted June 15, 2021 Author Share Posted June 15, 2021 Lot of diddy club supporters seem to be upset here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 5 hours ago, ropy said: Who is the seventh? Surely it's Falkir... *Checks Leagues* ...ah. Perhaps not. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted June 16, 2021 Author Share Posted June 16, 2021 7 hours ago, Snafu said: There is a distinct possibility that St. Johnstone are now a bigger club than Dundee. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Is there any colour TV footage of any of Dundee's major honour wins? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tree house tam Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Not that I want to get involved in this shitey debate but any club whos highlights in a couple of generations are a couple of friendlies surely dispel any notion that they are "big". 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 All that articles done is guarantee one is having a shocker of a season, IMO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 As we all know, the logic behind the "big six" label in England is that they have actually consistently all finished as the top six, doing so as recently as three seasons running from 16/17 to 18/19. Obviously you sometimes have outliers breaking in and some of the six taking turns to be pish like Arsenal just now, but although you had two clubs outwith that group in 5th & 6th this season you're always likely to have five of them make it. This supposed "big seven" in Scotland have literally finished as the top seven together once in history, in 87/88. Even looking at six of the seven being the top six, that did happen fairly often in the 70s & 80s: 69/70 it was Aberdeen who didn't make it, 71/72 & 73/74 Dundee Utd were the missing one, 74/75 it was Hearts, 85/86 & 86/87 was Hibs, 88/89 Dundee, then again in 91/92 when Dundee weren't even in the top flight. However it then didn't happen again until 08/09 when again Dundee weren't in the top flight and it hasn't happened since, so even six of them being the best six has only happened once in the last 29 seasons. Not sure we can base an alleged big seven on something that has happened once in the entire history of Scottish football. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 A lot of pretending to be confused here when it's obvious that the Big Seven are the seven clubs in the country's four biggest cities. There's literally no thought given to this outside of "they have the biggest stadiums and the biggest attendances." It's the Willie Miller classic of Needing Big Clubs in the top flight because that's... better. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 13 hours ago, HibeeJibee said: By what possible measure - not preceding colour television - would Dundee be part of a "Big" anything . I suppose until recently Rangers, Celtic, Hearts, Hibs, Aberdeen + Dundee United (plus Kilmarnock + Motherwell) were a sort of "Big 6" (or "8") as they'd been fixtures in top tier since 1990s. However since 2012 you've had Rangers go bust and spend 4 seasons outwith elite level... Hearts relegated twice and bounce-back... Hibs spend 3yrs down... Dundee Utd spend 4yrs... I'm also unconvinced you can have any sort of "Big 6" or "7" or "8" in a division of 12 . So really we've just a big two... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 28 minutes ago, Miguel Sanchez said: A lot of pretending to be confused here when it's obvious that the Big Seven are the seven clubs in the country's four biggest cities. There's literally no thought given to this outside of "they have the biggest stadiums and the biggest attendances." It's the Willie Miller classic of Needing Big Clubs in the top flight because that's... better. By which logic Cove Rangers should be the 8th ahead of town teams like Killie, St Johnstone and Motherwell 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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