Benjamin_Nevis Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 I'm not sure which is better, Malky being banned or Tarmo all over the forum desperately trying to start arguments and get others banned. Glorious, glorious stuff [emoji23] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highland Capital Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 22 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Every Labour party member should ask themselves this question. If there was a choice between a Labour Government in an independent Scotland, or a Tory Government in the existing UK, what would you choose? The SNP is a vehicle for delivering independence, it's not a philosophy for how an independent Scotland should be governed. I've never understood why (even back to before 2014) Scottish Labour are so against independence. Independence could be the best thing that ever happened to them. They'd have to be reborn, with a new brand, a new message and new policies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakedee Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 I think the problem is that for quite a few, they still cling to the belief that Labour can form a Govt. In Westminster.Hopefully recent elections will allow them to see sense. Every Labour party member should ask themselves this question. If there was a choice between a Labour Government in an independent Scotland, or a Tory Government in the existing UK, what would you choose? The SNP is a vehicle for delivering independence, it's not a philosophy for how an independent Scotland should be governed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 30 minutes ago, AB de Villiers said: Nats raging insults And all you have is red dots for innocuous posts, nothing else to contribute. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunfermline Don Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 A Tory governed independent Scotland.An independent Scotland would be free to be governed by whoever gets elected. As it is done by PR coalition’s would probably be required so there will be every possibility a right of centre party being involved at some point.The important thing is Scotland would not vote one way then have to put up with whoever has been elected in Westminster. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 Literally all of my stewards voted yes last time, sands are shifting fast for the party they notionally support.There’s a staggering disconnect between the leadership of the unions/ Labour and their memberships. Every Labour party member should ask themselves this question. If there was a choice between a Labour Government in an independent Scotland, or a Tory Government in the existing UK, what would you choose? The SNP is a vehicle for delivering independence, it's not a philosophy for how an independent Scotland should be governed. If the SNP win independence then there’s an argument to be made that they (or whoever’s seen as the successor party) will be given a blank cheque to forge the initial path of an independent Scotland. I doubt it’ll be as extreme as the ANC’s dominance lol but my argument for Labour tacking to full support for independence is it’ll give the left a stronger voice for when it hopefully happens. The first port of call is yeeting all the detritus from the Blairite years out of Labour first and foremost. Going in on Jackie Baillie and Ian Murray tomorrow at our CLP nominations tomorrow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 An independent Scotland would be free to be governed by whoever gets elected. As it is done by PR coalition’s would probably be required so there will be every possibility a right of centre party being involved at some point.The important thing is Scotland would not vote one way then have to put up with whoever has been elected in Westminster.No. No more Tory governments. f**k this “at least we voted for the scumbag option” argument. Too many people are dying as it is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunfermline Don Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 No. No more Tory governments. f**k this “at least we voted for the scumbag option” argument. Too many people are dying as it is. I don’t disagree with you. I am just trying to make the point that an independent Scotland can be a ‘broad church’. There will be a place for a ‘right of centre’ party but I would not expect them to be in power. I fully expect and hope us to be more left leaning and internationalist than the UK is currently heading. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DublinMagyar Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 Stuart Dickson. Your posting style is identical right down to the childish Nazi references and your insistence that everyone is stupid apart from yourself. Spent years on BAWA watching you post this tripe under various guises and now you are back here doing it again.Why are you replying to a banned poster? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 9 minutes ago, oaksoft said: Stuart Dickson. Your posting style is identical right down to the childish Nazi references and your insistence that everyone is stupid apart from yourself. Spent years on BAWA watching you post this tripe under various guises and now you are back here doing it again. Malky3 has been emptied....but.....what is BAWA? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 21 hours ago, sjc said: When you say the UK,you mean the UK government, right? And as demonstrated by their handling of Brexit a democratic vote counts for little. Forcing the Lisbon or Maastricht treaties on Member States further highlights this is and contributed significantly to the 2016 referendum result. How were those treaties forced on EU members? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 11 minutes ago, git-intae-thum said: Malky3 has been emptied....but.....what is BAWA? Black and White Army? 8 hours ago, Snafu said: On Black and White Army its called the Sin Bin where 'sensible posters' get an entire forum to themselves. The Sin Bin If you are being particularly annoying or repetitive you're general posting rights will be removed and you'll only be able to post in here. Consider it a virtual jail. You can rant away in here as much as you like. Membership of this part of the forum is entirely at the mods discretion. https://www.blackandwhitearmy.com/forums/index.php?/forum/23-the-sin-bin/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Black and White Army? Ta 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said: How were those treaties forced on EU members? I don't recall the UK electorate being given a referendum, like the Irish, who rejected the Lisbon treaty btw, were on either. Major and Brown pushed them both through. Don't get me wrong, I'd have voted to remain in the EU if I still lived in the UK, but it's effectively just one set of globalist neoliberal capitalists against an another set. Too many people are being left behind and feeling their voices aren't being heard. Hence the calls for independence. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 11 minutes ago, sjc said: I don't recall the UK electorate being given a referendum, like the Irish, who rejected the Lisbon treaty btw, were on either. Major and Brown pushed them both through. Don't get me wrong, I'd have voted to remain in the EU if I still lived in the UK, but it's effectively just one set of globalist neoliberal capitalists against an another set. Too many people are being left behind and feeling their voices aren't being heard. Hence the calls for independence. In what way is a referendum required on everything Westminster wants? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 9 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said: In what way is a referendum required on everything Westminster wants? I would have thought that the transfer of Parliamentary powers from Westminster to Brussels would be justified...... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 1 minute ago, sjc said: I would have thought that the transfer of Parliamentary powers from Westminster to Brussels would be justified...... Westminster is sovereign, didn't you know? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said: Westminster is sovereign, didn't you know? I did know. 6 months of Constitutional law was a fascinating history lesson in my brief flirtation with becoming a lawyer. More fool me! But given the 3 year farce that it took for Westminster to enact those sovereign powers, as per the democratic will of the majority of UK voters, I don't think they should be granted too much leeway in deciding off their own backs what's best for the people. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 1 minute ago, sjc said: I did know. 6 months of Constitutional law was a fascinating history lesson in my brief flirtation with becoming a lawyer. More fool me! But given the 3 year farce that it took for Westminster to enact those sovereign powers, as per the democratic will of the majority of UK voters, I don't think they should be granted too much leeway in deciding off their own backs what's best for the people. 6 months of Constitutional law would tell you that Westminster is sovereign and you're talking shite. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted February 2, 2020 Share Posted February 2, 2020 13 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said: 6 months of Constitutional law would tell you that Westminster is sovereign and you're talking shite. Read the second paragraph of my previous post....... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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